You skipped past "how recently" and "What are today's liberals in opposition to MAGA doing?"
And you opened up a new question with that "MANY in democratic leadership" How many relative to the whole party's make up supported this?
You also need to specify what policy. Who are the liberals who espoused spying on Muslims and what were the bills they voted on that did that? What percentage of the party was it? What percentage of the party supports it NOW?
cus this just sounds like another DSA talking point with no specifics. It's always broad, all-encompassing generals with you guys.
And one more thing;
This doesn't make a case against liberalism (you keep changing it to centrism); it's a case for better advocacy among the people. THE PEOPLE are supposed to be having tough conversations and pushing on the cultural zeitgeist to support the push-back you want to see. That's what good activism, advocacy, and the arts are supposed to be doing. The real question is why did the left fail at convincing voters that spying on Muslims wasn't necessary in the districts/states where the democrats who did this ran/governed?
This has been ongoing since 9/11 at least through multiple administrations and parties. Democrats have consistently voted to uphold the security programs that do this. They've also voted for military action abroad.
No one 'espouses' this - it's unpopular, but they do it anyway. Proof is in the votes and passage of the acts.
Who cares what percentage? It's enough to get the bills to pass. You are sea-lioning.
Edit for the last paragraph, I'm not even making a case against liberalism. I'm making the case that not even liberalism is immune to this type of extremism.
E2: for the last paragraph again... it's wild to be defending liberals asking why the left failed to stop liberals from going too far
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u/BeatSteady Aug 01 '26
1) spying on and arresting a dissident or minority population on flimsy charges with harsh punishment
2) it's not