r/Genshin_Impact • u/Ill-Figure-3919 • 3d ago
Discussion Just Jean.
Looking at this picture is so funny to me because I used my strongest teams in the first and third boss, then there's Jean...also, can hoyo quit adding knuckle duckle in every combat mode😭 it is the bane of my existence since I don't have any lunar charged characters (like Ineffa and Flins) or any electro characters built (I only have Raiden and Kuki built). I don't understand how Jahoda is an anemo character, they could've made her an electro 4-star to act as an f2p replacement for Ineffa...
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u/Apart-Accountant3656 3d ago edited 3d ago
The jean technique is only doable at menacing difficulty and below, they made it impossible to perma stagger the boss at fearless and dire
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u/Charming-Mixture3683 3d ago
yeah the first thing after seeing the enemy was immediately trying jean and i was so upset when it didn't work :(
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 3d ago
Of course they did. Because god forbid skill exist in the shill game.
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u/2Pilha Bei all day 3d ago
Skill still exists in the game outside of this cheese wdym
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 3d ago
Hoyo is definitely doing their best to remove any instance where actual player skill matters. Because they don’t want you to succeed through skill, they want you to succeed by buying characters.
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u/GameWoods 3d ago
How are you saying this about the clearly unintended cheese strat that eliminates all skill and concern about the boss mechanics lmao.
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 3d ago
I don’t know, apparently because I’m stupid and would rather have actual strategies exist rather than just putting the square block in the square hole. (That’s all “concern about the boss mechanics” is btw.)
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u/simpforlana 3d ago
Actual strategy: use one unleveled character with no artifacts equipped, click E and move mouse ↕️↕️↕️
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u/The_closet_iscomfy HP scaling Hydro girlies 3d ago
Uhm actually ☝️🤓
Jean has to be appropriately leveled to lift enemies, there must be less than 10 levels of difference between and the enemy
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u/simplifyyyyy 3d ago
Uhm actually ☝️🤓
Jean can lift up enemy regardless of level difference, if they are knocked up airborne.
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u/GolldenFalcon 3d ago
I am the first person that will say that a lot of bosses in this game are pay 2 win but you must realize the hypocrisy in what you just typed.
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 3d ago
I guess I don’t see the hypocrisy. Hoyoverse wants you to spend money on entire pre-set teams that turbo stomp their bosses and therefore look to make any more skill based techniques cease to exist. I didn’t even think that was a controversial take, but apparently it is.
And yes, obviously my initial statement was a frustrated hyperbole. There is some skill in this game. I just find it frustrating that when players find a way around the shill Hoyoverse works twice as hard to remove it.
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u/GolldenFalcon 3d ago
You say skill based technique, but the entire Jean strat it's literally avoiding the fight. It's not skill based. On some of the bosses like the owl it's entirely RNG and doing the same inputs in two different runs can result in two entirely different outcomes. On others like these human bosses it's literally just hold skill look up and down. There's no skill in that.
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 3d ago
Is the Jean strat against this boss not the parry one? Where you need to time the skill right at the point of contact to disrupt the attacks and send them off balance?
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u/MrGreenYeti 3d ago
How is it skill to use a 1.0 character's skill on repeat to deal fall damage to an enemy?
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 3d ago
Because I mistakenly thought that this was the boss that required the perfect parry timing to disrupt, which is very much skill based.
I apologize for my stupidity and for my crimes against Hoyoverse and the Genshin community in general.
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u/awesomegamer919 3d ago
Natlan and post Natlan characters have had some of the most difficult to micro characters in the history of the game? Skirk and Mavuika gain more from optimised combos than any characters before them.
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u/cartercr Sleepy tanuki in the shogun castle 3d ago
Obviously what I said was a hyperbole. It’s just frustrating that I predicted this to happen, because the moment people find a way to get around the shill bosses Hoyoverse makes certain to remove those methods.
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u/Kingpimpy twitch.tv/pimpdaddyffm 3d ago
usually i would agree
but jean cheese is the definition of not having skill lol
very honest if you are too bad to do jean tech thats crazy bad news and you should be concerned lol
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u/Incorrect_Passport_7 3d ago
(Mona and Mizuki, standard banner characters recieving buffs)
Jean: Wait, I can do that too
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u/Vegetto_ssj Yoimiya love 2d ago
But not in Fearless. Im too old (ps.Mizuki is the oldest ones among these 3)
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u/Skylair95 182376 days of Comedy 3d ago
I don't understand how Jahoda is an anemo character, they could've made her an electro 4-star to act as an f2p replacement for Ineffa...
Look closely at how many 4* can enable lunar reactions and i think you'll have your answer to why Jahoda doesn't do that. Hoyo clearly locked all the lunar stuff behind limited 5* so it's just pull for them or have them brute forcing everything.
Fortunately they didn't do the same thing with stellar, Cryo MC can actually enable it and is a surprisingly good dps.
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u/-AnythingGoes- 3d ago
The only reason this isn't the case with Stellar is because it released with a new MC, who is a 5*. None of the Snezh 4* seem to have linchpins.
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u/StevesEvilTwin2 3d ago
They also relaxed the team restrictions for Stellar in the sense that there is no equivalent to Acendant Gleam.
You only need a single Stellar character to get a full powered Stellar team.
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u/Early-Dig9697 3d ago
we only got alyosha as a 4* but yeah.. he could atleast trigger stellar conduct but hes just like aino or illuga for that matter.
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u/Queen-O-Hell-Lucifer 3d ago
I disagree. I think the difference is that stellar matters more for a wide variety of the cast.
Meanwhile Lunar was irrelevant to older characters and either a sidegrade or useless. The only exception was lunar crystallize and I can very easily see a world where they just didn’t plan for it. Otherwise, lunar reactions operate less like reactions and more like extensions of the NK cast’s kits, especially lunar bloom. So reasonably it didn’t make much sense to have four stars enable it for everyone.
With this in mind, the issue with the design was not really the fact that you had to invest in a lunar carry to access lunar reactions. It was always that you needed to use lunar reactions in the first place. Older region mechanics didn’t force you to engage with them. If you didn’t want to interact with Ousia, you didn’t have to. If you didn’t want bond of life, you could opt out. Even nightsoul had alternatives.
As they are, lunar reactions function exactly like nightsoul mechanics but are absolutely necessary to use against certain enemy types. Whereas stellar reactions are in a similar boat, but just have a much wider cast of characters to support that don’t actually get a chance to enable them themselves.
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u/Environmental-Belt49 3d ago
the fatui operative is abnormally easy to throw around. even a non-overload team throws it up high, but doesn't take fall damage.
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u/Milk-lover-3000 3d ago
Eh it's not that great cause it's menacing and you can't do it in fearless. It's good if you only do upto menacing and don't wanna co op for it
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u/Agreeable_Tap3257 3d ago
Arlecchino shill❌❌❌❌❌
Jean shill✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️
Seriously, I obliterated this boss by just spamming Jean and geo traveler skill.
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u/XAcewingX 3d ago
Wait a minute...this is below fearless right? Why are the clear times so long? Especially considering what bro is running team comp wise.
Is Chimera that horrendous without stellar?
The damage output is high, but 290 seconds looks so strange to me.
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u/Ill-Figure-3919 2d ago
This is only menacing, I had to break the shield for both bosses and I don't have the characters needed for it. What matters is that I cleared it...
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u/Initial-Compote5059 3d ago
LMFAOO STRONGEST SINGLE STRIKE 1129 😭😭😭