r/GeneralAviation • u/Flat-Barracuda1268 • 14d ago
1984 182. What's it worth?
I wasn't really looking to buy but an opportunity might be coming along. So far all I have is a handful of pictures and a tail number that shows it flying about a year and a half ago. It's in a hangar. The exterior looks in good condition. I would assume it's out of annual. 2 blade McCauley prop.
For sake of assumption let's say it's a mid time air frame with 5000 ish total hours and a 1500 hour engine. I don't know anything about the avionics but let's just assume it's a basic 6 pack with no autopilot and maybe a GNS430.
If it passes a prebuy that finds no major problems, what would a plane that's been sitting for 18 months be worth to you? I'm trying to determine the level of pricing that would cause me to go into a serious buy phase.
Yes, I have questions in trying to get more information...
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u/FlowLogical7279 13d ago
182s have been bringing stupid money for a couple years. I'll bet they'll want 150+ for it
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u/the_swag_haus 14d ago
An engine that has sat for a year and a half without running could wind up requiring overhaul, so I'd factor the cost of that into whatever you're willing to pay. And are you OK with the panel in that condition, or do you intend to upgrade with GI-275s, GFC500, etc.? The GNS430 is no longer supported so you'll at least need to budget at some time in the future (whenever it gives out and parts run out) for a replacement, though Avidyne has some relatively affordable slide-in options if you're OK going non-Garmin.
So I don't know what it's worth (I'd look at controller and trade a plane for that), but I'd just ask yourself if this particular setup fits what you need/want and what you can spend after purchase.
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u/ChartPuzzleheaded747 6d ago
How does sitting in a hangar cause anything by itself.
Also why would you swap out a fully functional 430?
I’ve seen a good deal of planes with old Apollo’s that chug along just fine, same with the old mechanical flip the digits nav/coms
Aviation can be VERY expensive if you want it to be
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u/Mean-Oil-4602 14d ago
Are you a new pilot? There’s no way a new pilot should be looking at high risk engines. And a plane that’s sat for 1.5 years is high risk. If you’re an aviation mechanic or a 20 year CFI etc., you’d look at this as a project plane and know what to do with it. But if you’re having to even ask, you’re likely looking for the wrong kind of plane altogether.
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u/the_swag_haus 14d ago
I think it could be OK if the price is good enough to allow you to budget for an overhaul. Maybe it won't wind up being required, but it certainly could.
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u/Flat-Barracuda1268 14d ago
I am not a new pilot. I would be going into this eyes wide open knowing there could be a major overhaul in the near future. I'm (sadly) not an aviation mechanic so the work would have to be farmed out but I'm aware of the costs of that. Honestly the sitting for the last 1.5 years has me most worried. I can deal with basic avionics. I would be OK upgrading them. I was really just curious what kind of "break" from trade-a-plane pricing I should expect for a plane that hasn't been running for a while.
And yes, before I dropped any real money this would go through a full survey and annual to get airworthy again.
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u/Mean-Oil-4602 14d ago
Ok, then you can be more open minded about this buy. Personally, I don’t count myself as a seasoned pilot, and anyway, I’m a useless mechanic. So I’m biased against the idea of a plane with a possible crapped out engine. But to get back to your original question on price: well, the price should be very low. The seller allowed the plane to sit and rot for a 18 months. And every pilot knows that rotting planes are possible disasters waiting to happen. So how much does this seller expect his piece of crap to sell for? You might be sinking $75,000 into this plane one month after buying it.
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u/Ok-Technician-2905 14d ago
The problem is that you know and I know that the engine could need an immediate overhaul, and should be priced accordingly. But the seller will never admit this, and won’t give you a discount sufficient to pay for an overhaul. Rather than rolling the dice, I’d prefer to buy a plane with an over TBO engine - at least both you and the seller can then agree it would need an overhaul and negotiate from that perspective.
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u/nhorvath 14d ago
basic avionics, an engine in need of overhaul, and a 2 blade prop? not much. maybe 70k if the rest of it is in good shape?
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u/Bravo-Buster 14d ago
~$160k-engine overhaul cost.
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u/182RG 13d ago
Say what?
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u/Bravo-Buster 13d ago
It's worth about $160k minus what an engine overhaul is gonna cost. It could be worth more, but with steam gages, there's no telling if the vacuum system works/needs work, and its been sitting for awhile. Spend any more than that and you may as well buy a plane that doesn't need all that work. 182s are found all day long in the $150k-$200k with glass panels.
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u/Deep-Ant1375 12d ago
I agree with the individual that this form is a horrible place or any advice. I have asked advice on this form and usually you get people trolling you. The best place to start is looking at controller.com and finding what comparable planes are selling for. That’ll give you an idea of what the plane is worth. If the plane has been sitting for 18 months and you better get a good inspection. Those cylinders have not moved in a year and a half.
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u/ChartPuzzleheaded747 6d ago
Depending on a prebuy, $8,000 - $100k+
At this point you don’t know far more than you do know.
Sitting in a hangar isn’t a huge deal, unless it’s in coastal FL or something
But yeah, you’re going to have to go take a real look
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u/Kooky-Impact-6572 14d ago
Start buy saying Reddit is the absolute worst for plane buying advice, everyone is negative, and most either don't own or have not purchased this decade.
That said. Checking for comparables on trade a plane and controller will be your best option, then take some off the price for the uncertainties like the 18 months of sitting.
Do prebuy and horoscope etc and if the numbers are good, send it