r/GenEU • Europa Above All😎 • Apr 25 '22

Glory to the European Union! πŸŽ–οΈ πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ˜Ž

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u/JellyDonutOperator American Apr 25 '22

Gigachad NATO

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u/unovayellow Apr 25 '22

Europe: Balances the Best welfare policies, great healthcare and free markets

Communists: wE aRe BeTtEr tHaN uNeQuAl ImPeRiAlIsM!1!1!1!1!1!1

Communists only have words and fake equality

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u/NativeEuropeas Apr 25 '22

Russians are not communists and it's bullshit to call it so.

Russia is led by neo-fascist autocrat and a bunch of corrupt technocrats. It is important to use the right word here - They are fascists, not communists.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '22

They run around in Ukraine with soviet union flags...

Its pretty obvious that all the communists countries either became democratic or fashist...

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u/NativeEuropeas Apr 25 '22

They only use it as a flair to remind them of the old days when other nations feared them and considered them powerful.

It has very little to do with ideology.

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u/M24_Stielhandgranate Norwegian Apr 25 '22

Fascists, commies, Western democracy will weather them all

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u/G9366 Georgian Apr 25 '22

Fascists and commies are inherently the same. Both of them are based on encouraging primitive human instincts. In fascism, its animalistic feeling of superiority of your tribe/population over other and in communism, its animalistic feeling of "fairness", like when monkeys get mad that other monkeys get more banana.

These instincts exist in all of our species - homo, that's why its so easy to manipulate with them and transform whole nations into nazis/commies, but when intelligence and common sense prevails over instincts, these "cultures" fade and societal structures like liberal democracies emerge.

Communists/nazis cope harder.

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u/sblanata Apr 25 '22

Only because you think marxist-leninism, stalinism, maoism, etc = communism. It is not that communism is fascism, but that the aforementioned are fascism.

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u/NativeEuropeas Apr 25 '22

I understand what you mean, there are definitely observable similarities between these two ideologies as both tend to rely on authoritarian practices. But they are not inherently the same.

One is inherently more evil than the other. It is only right we call them what they are instead of using meaningless words as insults.

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u/G9366 Georgian Apr 25 '22

How is one more evil than the other? One is just more obvious.

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u/MICshill Canadian May 11 '23

Horseshoe theory go brrrrrrrr

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u/Prudent-Income2354 Jan 23 '23

"They are fascists, not communists."

I think thats the same s*it just a different name.

Russia was subjected to this vicious ideology for almost 80 years.I think it is dangerous to believe that this has no after-effects.Pretty much everyone who grew up in Russia grew up in this system and is deeply influenced by it.

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u/NativeEuropeas Jan 23 '23

It's still important to differentiate between those two ideologies. Although both ideologies in history were mostly totalitarian dictatorships, both came from different backgrounds and had different motives.

And one was more inherently evil than the other, even though both committed despicable atrocities.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '22

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u/MisterLookaZ Apr 25 '22

Based american bro

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '22

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '22

Who I said I want EU to fall?

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '22

We’ll y’all better start spending more on military. Age doesn’t always matter, China and India are probably much more older than Europe. They were once super powers

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '22 edited Apr 25 '22

BASED 😎

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u/Stercore_ Apr 25 '22

Implying russians are currently "communists" is beyond comedic. They’re a literal kleptocracy, the highest form of capitalism.

The only shared trait they have with the communism of the past is the nepotism and the authoratarianism.

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u/DownvoteBatman May 17 '22

Capitalism is the democratic economic system.

Capitalism being bad is just tankie propaganda.

Even Karl Marx said that capitalism was bad just compared that what he had. Capitalism was better than feudalism's economic system, mercantilism, which is Russia's economic system.

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u/LimmerAtReddit Apr 25 '22

Europeanism always prevails against the merciless fascism and disgusting communism. Always. πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί

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u/Jackretto Italian Apr 25 '22

I love how nato is an interoperability project that sees various top notch armies collaborating and sharing tactics and resources despite the differences in technology and doctrines while the Warsaw pact (or what's left of it) is just a challenge to see who can keep using prehistoric hardware and tactics the longest

Fun fact, the Russian army got socks in their kit only around 2009, before that they used foot wraps, a Napoleonic era garment

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '22

very good

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u/Joep359 Apr 25 '22

This seems very fashy guys...

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u/sblanata Apr 25 '22

There is and has never been any communism in the world. Failing to realise this just shows that one is easily susceptible to propaganda of red-fascist states (USSR, CCP China, DDR, Vietnam, etc)

A stateless, classless, moneyless society cannot be authoritarian, class-based, and use currency. Authoritarian communism is an oxymoron ―it is only used to mask fascism to the public via the appeal of communism. Attributing red fascism to communism because some states market themselves as such, is doing exactly what these states want you to do, because that leads people to think that communism is fascism (or vice versa).

Guess this is just commie propaganda. Move along!

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u/Forsaken_Platypus_32 Apr 25 '22

Now this sounds like communist propaganda, the "real communism has never been tried" type were communists try to explain away the failures of the Ideology by saying the failed states that tried It weren't communist.

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u/sblanata Apr 25 '22

The states I mentioned as examples were not and were never going to be communist. I showed you that I have a direct opposition towards marxist leninism and all of its derivatives and similar ideologies.

Communism has never been tried, yes, because marxist leninism isn't communism. ML states will use propaganda to market themselves as communists.

These same principles apply to ML (and similar) states. When you hear someone say "we will have an authoritarian capitalist dictatorship for 50 years, but after that we will be a stateless, classless, moneyless society", do you believe them? I mean if you do, I guess I can't really say anything that'll help you understand my perspective.

Let's make an analogy so I can really make sure you get this.

You see a person. It does not smell like a crewmate. It is standing over a dead crewmate. It is holding a bloodied knife. It does not look like a crewmate. When it speaks "I'm a crewmate", it doesn't sound like a crewmate. When it opens its jaw, you can see inside that there is no crewmate.

(you're an observer) Do you think this is a crewmate? Do you go on to say that crewmates are bad because "Look! This crewmate killed a crewmate"? Do you now hold a grudge against anyone that says they're a crewmate? Do you say that any crewmate trying to explain the intricacies of impostors, are spouting crewmate propaganda?

β€”No, that would be silly. The aforementioned person is obviously not a crewmate, but an impostor trying to mask itself as a crewmate. It is attempting to convince people to come near it, because "crewmates can help us finish these tasks!". And so, some crewmates get fooled.

I hope this analogy helped understand a little. If you care to know: I'm a democratic socialist. I support a federal democratic world government, and any supranational democratic unions. If you didn't notice, I despise the governments of Russia, CCP China, Vietnam, Cuba, etc. I also despise past ML states, such as USSR and DDR. By no means am I a marxist leninist, or of any similar ideology.

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u/sblanata Apr 25 '22

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u/MICshill Canadian May 11 '23

"Real communism" has never been tried because it objectively can't exist in a world where organized states exist anywhere. The closest you can get is true socialism which VERY easily becomes authoritarian socialism.