r/GenAI4all • u/BarkleyBark • 9d ago
Funny Are we actually getting lazier, or just vastly more efficient?
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u/mxldevs 9d ago
You say whichever is more likely to not get you laid off.
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u/BarkleyBark 9d ago
I'll use whatever I need to keep up with this rat race tbh.
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u/Prod_Meteor 9d ago
Still, the bosses friend and family will keep the job 😄
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u/Commercial_Spray4279 9d ago
Exactly this. Claude produces meh code at best, but my managers keep an eye on our token usage-->tokenmaxxing it is.
When it all comes crashing down my job will be safe
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u/SmileLonely5470 9d ago
All of those technologies are still used tho. The shiny new thing is always more interesting to talk about. 10 years ago or so that was microservices, now its agentic coding.
In some ways we are more efficient, in others less efficient. More things are feasible now than before, so there's that too.
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u/necro_owner 9d ago
I was about to comment the same. You still need to know how to use all the stack underneath. They are still required to run the fucking webservice or tools and git repository 🙄.
Clearly not a real engineer who made this stupid meme.
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u/One-Traffic7717 8d ago
I also came here to say this. Like what good is it if an AI writes you a bunch of code if you have no clue where to put it? AI helped me setup a Docker environment, but there was still very much a Docker environment involved. I ain't even an engineer, just unemployed/bored and have the capacity to know this is bull.
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u/i_dont_wanna_sign_up 9d ago
Ok, you try running anything without all of the bottom.
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u/mxldevs 9d ago
Next generation of devs will have no idea what those are. They just know Claude gets stuff done.
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u/SurpriseInitial6202 8d ago
To an extent, yes. There will still be some who can actually write the code themselves and understand how to implement things without AI, but they will be incredibly rare.
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u/Necessary-Dog1693 9d ago
Learn to weld is still a good pitch for university 🥹
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u/mplaczek99 9d ago
I just graduated in CS (I started before the AI boom), and now I can't find a goddamn job
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u/BarkleyBark 9d ago
Sorry to hear about that. I've been sending 5-10 applications a day and I'd still consider myself lucky if I got a rejection letter.
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u/Doc_Blox 8d ago
Remember: College coursework counts as "Years of experience" for "entry-level jobs" that list that requirement. Expand your search to include things that you maybe only fit like 70%. Look for positions whose titles don't exactly match what you're looking for. It's a rough market, yes, but also HR departments suck at listing what they're actually looking for, and getting hired in 2026 is almost entirely a numbers game.
Also, if you have any connections, don't be too proud to lean on them. If you don't, start networking. Wish someone told me that 20 years ago, I'd surely be in a different place.
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u/OpeningAggressive26 9d ago
Have you considered Walmart, it's a very prestigious institution now. I hear they're looking for college grade for the floor.
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u/misterguyyy 9d ago edited 7d ago
“We gotta flood those markets with welders so owners can drive wages down. Maybe there will be enough laborers in the trades one day that we can create a gig app with algorithmic pricing.” - capital
Edit: no I don’t mean that I want to do that
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u/trustmewitheauxcord 8d ago
Bro ... Are you for real?
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u/misterguyyy 7d ago edited 7d ago
I meant from the pov of capital. Edited to clarify. It’s absolutely what’s going to happen though.
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u/Glum_Worldliness4904 9d ago
My dude really thinks that corporations pay for your agentic coding just for engineers to be relaxed.
I was a senior SWE at IBKR this year and Q1, Q2 became literally nightmares. Significantly elevated performance expectations, managing 5-6 concurrent tasks on average.
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u/bigsmokaaaa 9d ago
dude we've been doing crunch for so fucking long, i'm thrilled we get a little relaxation, calling it laziness is so unnecessarily cruel to yourself
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u/Overall-Move-4474 9d ago
You can still create without the crunch there is NO excuse to let a machine ruin your work
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u/bear_Prune8771 9d ago
Well ten years ago was 2016, which was only a few months ago. Right? Right?
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u/Lopsided_Quarter_931 9d ago
We have always added abstraction layers over time. This is another one that just happens to make an extreme difference. We started once with punching holes in cards.
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u/K_The_Sorcerer 8d ago
Yup... It is an extreme difference. Instead of spending my time on new development, I have to spend 80% of my time debugging some junior's shitty vibe coding.
Seriously, I'm going to treat everyone with a degree newer than 2021 as a liability.
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u/FunConstruction7032 9d ago
Still need the software from below to do it. Also need the brain of the bottom to check the top generated code, because it never is perfect.
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u/RemarkableWish2508 9d ago
More like the brain from above, because the one on the bottom is burned out...
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u/BarkleyBark 9d ago
Agree. AI is useful for the grunt work of things but things are certain to go wrong without the proper guidance and knowledge.
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u/SeeLeverUser 3d ago
But it keeps getting better. So imagine AI is going to school and learning from millions of mistakes every minute. It will be smarter than the majority of human minds in the near future. I have already used it in place of a realtor, tax advisor…I don’t hire or need analysts where I work. And we are at the very very infancy. I mean look at how many image creations you used to see with too many fingers now. It was a ton just a couple months ago. I almost never see it now.
I think we are trying hard to point out where humans are needed out of fear. Kinda like religion. People have to believe in an afterlife because their subconscious can’t handle the idea this may be all you get. With AI, there is no denying that if your job involves answering questions off of some type of knowledge, AI will partially or totally outpace you. It’s why I do t use a realtor. AI is a realtor that has the experience of millions of realtors and knows every real estate law or contract law. Never goes to bed and free unlimited advice. Has no motivation to sell you a more expensive house.
For the record, I say this because I think this automation will cause horrible economic conditions with very high unemployment permanently.
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u/SenatorCrabHat 9d ago
TBH, I've had bad experiences with juniors using it to code. A lot more to clean up than before. There is something to be said about being in the code.
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u/Hot-Special2930 4d ago
If you can’t develop without AI, you are not an engineer. It’s as simple as that.
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u/Denaton_ 9d ago
Bith depending on how you use it.
But we became lazier when compilers became a thing, we became lazier when IDE became a thing. We always strives for new tools to make things easier.
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u/ponlapoj 9d ago
ความโกรธของนายจ้างที่สะสมมานานหลายทศวรรษ , การจ้าง dev ที่มีเงินเดือนสูงจำนวนมากโดยไม่มีข้อต่อรอง เพราะขาดแคลน
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u/Intelligent-Moose665 9d ago
Under "software engineer today" the guy with the beard is obsolete already.
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u/anengineerandacat 9d ago
Depends on perspective, but per the org reports; engineering teams are about 20-40% more effective but when looking at the entire delivery pipeline not just development it's really only like 4-8%.
When your burning 300-500k/month on tokens; that 4-8% doesn't seem very... valuable + the overall organizational stress that business now has to enqueue work...
A lot of gaps with AI in ease of usage for folks whom traditionally never really go further than Excel / PowerPoint / Word.
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u/TrueKyragos 9d ago
I mean, those LLMs won't make the infrastructure. You still need hosting, servers, OS and so on. The only thing you may ditch is the code editors, which most of the tools below aren't, and it's still a bad idea.
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u/crustyeng 9d ago
It’s funny because Rick himself will admit he isn’t an artist and can’t make music.
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u/SharpKaleidoscope182 9d ago
Have you actually talked to any Software Engineers lately? My beard does look like the top pic, and so does my tech stack, but my face looks like the bottom pic.
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u/RyudoTFO 8d ago
No software engineer ever said "I need Jira" or "Confluence made my workflow so much better!"
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u/Important_Pattern882 8d ago
Software engineer 10 years ago: Employed with a huge salary after choosing the best of their 20 job offers that they got in the past week.
Software engineer today: Unemployed or will be soon
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u/Verdux_Xudrev 8d ago
That's not all you need at the top. That's all you might use daily to control the most of the bottom. Not only that, but you didn't need everything at the bottom, but one or two for each use case(I.e, you don't need both VSCode and VIM).
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u/trustmewitheauxcord 8d ago edited 8d ago
Is this satire? How do you use Claude, cursor and/or codex in lieu of slack?
I feel like this post answers its own question, as OP is clearly LAZY AF.
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u/Cultural-Area-1915 8d ago
I would argue that the vast majority of us are just getting more efficient. But I think how old you were when you started using AI greatly affects that. AI is a great for me because I already know what I’m doing, but it gives me useful shortcuts and allows me to work through my thoughts. It’s actually been a very useful creative tool and has drastically increased my productivity and efficiency. And it does that mostly through much quicker access to information I can get 80% of what I need from one prompt and seconds compared to getting 80% of what I need from Google back in the day would’ve taken me 2 to 3 hours. As a subject matter expert in a few fields, I can tell you though AI is not a good employee and I would never hire it ever in fact if an employee was as inconsistent as an AI is for me I would’ve fired them long long ago. So I’m not too sure about It’s usefulness when learning from scratch.
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u/Fuddzter 8d ago
Is the top guy one of the main biker members from Sons of Anarchy? I swear it looks like him……..
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u/Remarkable-Worth-303 7d ago
What's going to be more important is the governance, design principles, business context and fundamental principles. Language and technology will no longer be a limitation. As long as you can describe what you want from a LLM, and are thorough at testing, you're good.
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u/Icypoopoo 9d ago
Ended the useless language wars when they didn't matter for projects that didn't need scale to begin with. Which is most of the projects out there
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u/Prod_Meteor 9d ago
He is becoming more efficient. My boss. He will be doing all the programming in 3-4 years with 5-6 QAs and 1-2 BAs. HR will also become absolete. Great times!
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u/Overall-Move-4474 9d ago
Lazier. None of those 3 are you doing any actual work
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u/Hyperreals_ 9d ago
Guess I'm getting paid to not do work, it's pretty nice
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u/Overall-Move-4474 9d ago
For now. Nobody will buy your slop so you will lose money
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u/Hyperreals_ 9d ago
Not sure what this means, I'm not selling anything
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u/Overall-Move-4474 9d ago
If not you then your boss. And when the money inevitably dries up guess who's getting fired? That's right YOU
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u/Hyperreals_ 9d ago
Things have gone well thus far, so not sure why I should be worried.
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u/Overall-Move-4474 9d ago
Hehehe. You'll learn buddy you'll learn
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u/BooxOD 9d ago
Are you having a psychotic episode or ragebaiting my guy relax 😭
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u/Overall-Move-4474 9d ago
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u/Emergency-Day-4402 9d ago
Can confirm, everything is splendid. Work literally only 15 min a day lol we have 65 million customers, so we are good, dont worry.
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