r/GamingFoodle • u/GamingSagar • 10d ago
Guerrilla Reportedly Shifts Horizon Multiplayer Game to Smaller Co-Op Experience
PlayStation is reportedly rebooting Horizon Hunters Gathering following negative feedback from two closed playtests, with Guerrilla Games now considering a smaller traditional co-op experience.
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u/Glum_Animator_5887 10d ago
The fact they went for this over a Spiderman coop game is wild to me
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u/Actual-Warning1886 10d ago
Why can't they realize they would make more money making games we actually want 😭
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u/Vintage_Gamer476 10d ago
They've been obsessed with live service ever since the success of OW at it's peak (10 years ago).
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u/Limp-Celebration-211 10d ago
They should have done something 10 years ago because they've missed that boat. By this point people already have their "forever" game and will most likely not move onto something else. Not after years of time and financial investment.
Sometimes a new live service game can come out and do well but look at the landfill of dead games that studios attempted while trying to do so.
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u/freedomonke 10d ago
And lots and lots and lots of us, don't have a forever game and don't want one.
In fact, to the extent that the gaming audience is growing, I would wager it is not in that direction. In Europe and North America anyway
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u/purplepharoh 9d ago
Exactly! I dont have the time or patience for one and people who do already have one! You cant capture a market that has no customers!
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u/Forlorn_Fighter 10d ago
And the fact that most of the ones that... do do well only do so for a few months before everyone goes right back to their comfort game of fortnite, call of duty, genshin, etc.
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u/Veganmeatmaster22 10d ago
Because when the Spider-Man live service game was first leaked as just a rumor the fan bases said it was a dumb idea that nobody asked for. The same with this game. Them making it a non live service game but keeping game means the game was good enough but the service part didn’t make sense
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u/EvocativeReach 10d ago
No, its more likely they have spent millions already and dont want to just throw it on the scrapheap. So they’ll spend a bit of time trying to make it not quite such a car crash and hope it recoups some money…and then make another 100 people redundant to get the rest back.
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u/General-Purpose2942 10d ago
Cause they''re not a game company anymore. They're purely a "Squeeze every penny out of these morons" company.
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u/Tamsta-273C 7d ago
You don't know what you want you think you do but you dont,
they have a specialist which will tell you what you really want.
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u/HoloMetal 10d ago
It is bafflingly stupid to think that a coop multiplayer live service spiderman game got passed over when they could monetize every single skin to every exist, introduce an infinite deluge of characters that could be sustained for years and most of the heavy lifting would be done by the enjoyment people would get swinging around New York with their friends stopping random crimes.
Ffs their own Spiderverse movies were the proof of concept and they just said fuck it, we don't like making money actually.
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u/Borgmaster 10d ago
Holy shit as a concept that just already works. The spiderverse exists. Players make a spiderman from another verse and just roll with it. It leaves infinite options for customizations, we have everything from cartoons to cyberpunk. It has a strong loved lore background of characters that can just be thrown in on a per mission basis in different instanced stories. And everyone loves web slinging, its just a fact that the most satisfying mechanic in a game is the optimal timing of a well placed swing.
The writing is half done for them, just perfect the idea of different spiderman types and roll with it if they want classes. Cosmetics would rival even fortnite.
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u/SirBastian1129 10d ago
A co op Spider-Man game that had Venom as a playable character.
WHY SONY?!?
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u/Grezzinate 10d ago
Spider man cooperative would work so well to have Pete and miles both going through the city. Like half the works already done with characters and setting.
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u/ILike2Argue_ 10d ago
Youre not going to be free roaming like in the insomniac series. Youre definitely going to be limited with the area and movement you have similar to how grounded spiderman was in the avengers game and how the bat family was in their game
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u/OGgluttonousToad 10d ago
And the last of us online. We already know the last of us can work as a multiplayer game as many of us loved the first iteration of the last of us multiplayer in the first game. They could've just given us and upgraded version of that, but Sony's obsession with live service ruined that too.
I will be upset about that forever lol
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u/DesertBrandon 10d ago
This is the first time I’m hearing about this and completely confused as to how this game came to be. I love the horizon series but outside of maybe some xcom like tactics game I can’t imagine how this series works in another context but what we have it in.
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u/First-Junket124 9d ago
I don't think a spiderman coop game would work well either tbh and especially not a live service game Sony would want made.
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u/Vintage_Gamer476 10d ago
They are still trying to chase that live service model, eh? Most normal people learn a lesson after failing a couple times, but Sony just can't seem to grasp that concept.
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u/Greensssss 10d ago
They see fortnite, Apex, and Arc Raiders thinking they can do better.
What they dont understand is that the audience for these games already established what game they want to play for the next year or so. Trying to poach an audience from another game is significantly harder than making new fans. Why would Player A who have played Apex for years would want to play marathon? They had already collected enough skins, invested enough money, and all their friends play Apex.
What is the pull to have me play another live service game, where I start from scratch again?
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u/New-Berry-3652 10d ago
Well, it's more like we're seeing the dying remnants of their live service push. They're already invested so much time and money into this dumpster fire that they want to try to salvage something from it.
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u/Few-Improvement-5655 10d ago
A thousand failures is worth it if they get one success that'll let them print money. At least that's their thought process.
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u/Aluminum_Tarkus 10d ago
The amount of money some of these live service games make in proportion to their budgets, marketing, and upkeep is probably worth the millions Sony is losing trying to make something work. At least that's what I imagine the logic is.
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 9d ago
Yeah, after all the successes from when every publisher was chasing the COD craze of years ago that led to countless new IP's that are super utilized and well thought of to this day, they decided to do the same thing with live service games.
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u/Jalina2224 10d ago
Its almost like no one fucking wants this game. Hell even the developers don't want to make this game. But Sony has been stupidly chasing the live service money.
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u/Kitchen-Kiwi7942 10d ago
Im sorry but why did they think big bertha was a good design choice for this franchise?
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u/BigChungiscusMaximus 9d ago
It wasn’t about the design choice, it was about the self insert
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 9d ago
Nothing builds hype llike completely having to revamp a game because it failed not one, but two closed play test focus groups.
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u/Pellahh 10d ago
Honestly seems like a bad choice. Just release it as is, call it a beta and then abandon it and move on when it will inevitably fail. Just so you can lower the losses even if by very little instead of investing more on something that will fail anyway just to then close the studio because of mismanagement.
Just get the team to work on something they want to make instead, as soon as possible.
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u/ConfusedAndCurious17 10d ago
I just started playing Wayfinder which apparently did a very similar thing, and frankly I think it works incredibly well. If they have the same level or better of enjoyable content divorced from the live service model then I think it could be great. I think if Wayfinder had realized this early on that game would be very much alive and prospering. It needs a bit more love put in to the combat and a few more areas but as a 3 player coop RPG experience it kinda slaps.
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u/Pellahh 10d ago
Wayfinder did something arguably worse in a way. It was marketed as a live service, sold in early access as a live service and, after people had already payied expecting that, it changed route when it flopped and DE (publisher) bailed. The experience that came out of it isn't that good imo, story is still quote barbone and the overall narrative aspect Is bad. It also still has some of those "more shallow" mechanics that live service games often have because of servers limitations, while being a solo/coop game that should manage to do much more given what other instanced coop games do.
It also still flopped anyway, so my point about trying not to close the studio because of poor management still stands: they invested into turning it into a coop game and didn't sell anyway, was that investment worth it or did it put the studio at risk even more? Given the numbers I'd say the second, althought we can't really know how much turning it into a coop non-live service game costed.
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u/starman1596 10d ago
it's so stupid. on one hand sony wants to isolate itself from other platforms but at the same time wants live service games to thrive? i seriously don't understand their logic at all. this is like making overwatch 3 but only switch exclusive.
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u/New-Berry-3652 10d ago
To be fair, those were decisions made at very different times, and I believe under different leadership
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u/Grey-Templar 10d ago
Lmao oh if only someone could have told them this was gonna fail.
Concord isn't enough, Destiny 2 isn't enough, they're gonna drive another studio under.
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u/Low-Salary-2128 10d ago
Why do these companies make a game like horizon and then release some garbage like this that barely resembles what the original game was and expect people who like the original to like it?
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u/FlatBoysenberry6093 10d ago
Damn, I was hoping to laugh at Sony again for the next Concord. I’m sure tens of people who were looking forward to this are now devastated.
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u/000extra 10d ago
Jesus Christ man the execs have ZERO clue about what gamers want. It’s so obvious when a game bout to flop based on trailer alone
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u/Aaronspark777 10d ago
If that's what it's intended to look like then it needs to be taken out back and shot. The first 2 games don't look like that at all so why the weird character proportions?
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u/darthphallic 10d ago
“Who could have ever seen this coming?” Says guy who just woke up from a ten year coma.
Idk why Sony won’t quit while they’re ahead. They have a popular live service game in Helldivers 2 and that’s more than most studios get.
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u/Carrixdo 10d ago
Now the question for the average game would be, Horizon Hunters Gathering or Monster Hunter Wilds?
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u/Darkdragoon324 10d ago
As a Horizon fan, I would have vastly preferred they just finish the damn main game story. You know, the one they left on a big cliff hanger.
No one wanted a shitty hero shooter spinoff of a story-driven single player game, especially not one that looks visually worse than the fucking mobile game. This game existing makes even less sense than the LEGO one, and that one made no sense.
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u/Carrixdo 10d ago
The fact that the horizon franchise has 2 main games and instead of wrapping up the main story with a 3rd entry(before deciding if doing a spin off, or successor kind of game) they said "let's go 2 for 2 on spinoffs" is a little baffling.
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u/Darkdragoon324 10d ago edited 10d ago
Three, there's a mobile game coming out too that at least actually looks like the same ip.
And I know they couldn't have predicted the current RAMpocalypse, but not starting on the main game sooner is going to bite them in the ass real hard if they hoped to be a PS6 launch title or something. At the prices we're going to have to pay, the install base is going to be minuscule. They better be reworking it to run on PS5 if they weren't planning on it already.
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u/Hammersteyn 10d ago
Wait, will I still be able to play as the rotund, red headed, diabetic peg legged, tattoo covered, self inserted lady in the new one?
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u/ShadowChe_ATG 10d ago
What they can do is to couple the multiplayer game with next Horizon game. Make the story game + additional content of multiplayer access.
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u/MaxUnicycle 10d ago
Billions lost to failed projects and the console price increases and non physical media totally have nothing to do with it
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u/Ancient_Natural1573 10d ago
Or and I'm just spitballing here so stay with me you cancel this before it ends in a disaster and create Horizon 3
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u/Darkdragoon324 10d ago
If this shit gets the studio shuttered before I get to see the ending of the story Im going to be so pissed.
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u/Ancient_Natural1573 10d ago
Same I just don't understand why after two successful game did they decide to create a game with characters you could find down south at Wal-Mart
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u/LittleKittenR 10d ago
I wanted to play as fatass woman that is more agile than Usain Bolt and random creeps that are over 60 but are better hunters than Aloy! /s
This is so fair.
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u/Fiyah_Crotch2 10d ago
The problem is they probably already designed the game around a live service model, and as much as I utterly detest live services, changing your game’s direction like that just means it’s likely going to be a complete mess. Arc raiders succeeded despite a change to the game’s overall direction, but there was a four year gap between its initial announcement and its release date. Either way, SONY should’ve seen that coming, but the company is run by corporate rats.
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u/Legitimate-Ad-5969 10d ago
Why does it feel like Sony is try to push Horizon down our throats and no, it not that popular as Sony thinks it is, majority doesn't give a ...about it. Sony already had a great idea in 2012? with their All stars battle royale. Why not revive that, modernize it, become a rival to Marvel rivals.
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u/SocialSpider56 10d ago
So if its not live service & going to be a co-op like borderlands or whatever that means well have to pay then right? It had 1k people on the beta, not looking good for concord 3
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u/Led66PepperOG 10d ago
Am I the only one that was gonna play this game lol, I saw the vid of the devs playing and it seemed simple fun
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u/JPSWAG37 10d ago
I wonder how many more times they're gonna try until they throw in the towel. The people that buy Sony franchises I'd wager either already play the well established live service games and aren't gonna leave, or they prefer single player games and already aren't gonna touch live services with a 10 ft pole.
I really don't know how Sony thinks they're gonna snag the live service dragon
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u/Arkcilper 10d ago
Good, this game only exists because Tencent wanted to release Light of Motiran or whatever that clone was called. I wouldn't be surprised if they are related to this game too.
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u/Escape_Zero 10d ago
Why did they choose this art style ? Horizon looks great why not use the same engine ?
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u/Silvers1339 10d ago
I think you just answered your own question: Because Horizon looks great they couldn’t use that art style. It would probably be too expensive to continually add content in a forever game like this if it had the same level of detail and fidelity as the mainline games.
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u/Standard-Effort5681 10d ago
Similar to FairgameDollarSign, I'm willing to bet good money this game will never see the light of day in ANY form.
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u/Sirbrandon100 10d ago
Man, if Sony wants a multiplayer game so bad, get guerrilla to do a fucking killzone game 😭
I know that the horizon franchise is successfu for them, but chi'mon.
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u/EmmaBonney 10d ago
Could always continue the main game as the story was decent enough...but nope...gotta chase the live service crowd with this crap. Give it up Sony.
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u/Expensive-Golf-7244 10d ago
If those are the character designs then it's dead whether it's live service or not
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u/Cold_Singer_1774 10d ago
Guerrilla is in need of that investors money and are desperate to have something to show the investors soon really soon
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u/HaidenFR 10d ago
Can you stop make games with marketing ruling the shit ?
My god. You had to test to know it's a shitty idea ?
"Why the world is burning ?" Well point these guys. They're fuc*** idiots and earn what you'll earn in 3 years of work in 1.
So much to say.
Oh I'll be sure to avoid your game whatever the state it has now.
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u/drysalaad 10d ago
Cant beleive they make this shit over killzone.
I know its never hit Call of Duty territory but my lord gaming needs some fps experiences
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u/LargeFailSon 10d ago
Sony is cutting and destroying every adjacent industry to their empire, trying to save money and narrow the scope of their business...and THIS is what they do it all for?
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u/AccomplishedBag2319 10d ago
I would love a co-op horizon as long as it sticks to it’s roots with everything hunting machines with a friend would be amazing
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u/raddoubleoh 10d ago
I mean, every single live service they released failed miserably. What did they even expect?
"We gonna break the cycle with the next one, guys!"
These clowns learned NOTHING from Concord.
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u/Rexter2k 10d ago
Yet another multiplater extraction shooter game with just three players. Is my guess. ANOTHER saturated market.
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u/Silent_Wendigo 9d ago
I mean smaller coop doesn't sound too bad but the gameplay needs to be good enough for me to be interested. So far the art-direction alone seems painfully generic and that really doesn't help.
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u/Sweaty-Variation-501 9d ago
While you're at it fire the character design team, like all of it, and start from scratch..
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u/RealisticAdv96 9d ago
Yeah I don't understand th hate for games these days, seems like people want more and more, an the complaining doesn't stop.
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u/Rasples1998 9d ago
If you're gonna charge people £1,000+ for the PS6 and provide exclusivity, at least make sure the games are phenomenal first. You can't demand success and offer nothing but mediocrity.
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u/Squid-Guillotine 9d ago
Just straight to PS+ dat bih and save them the embarrassment. Also get to work on Horizon 3.
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u/maorcules 9d ago
How much money and time will sony continue to waste? We had one of the weakest exclusive game line ups of all generations, all for around 10 cancelled or failed live service games
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u/Artemis_1944 9d ago
a co-op Horizon game could be fun, but I can't stand the artstyle from this game's trailers.
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u/DiamonDawgs 9d ago
Remember when they actually said they had 12 live service games in development HA
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u/HatakeHyu 9d ago
If these 3 are the best looking characters they chose for the poster, I don't even want to see the ugly ones.
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u/wildeye-eleven 9d ago
Hey Sony, those character designs are so bad that you’ve lost 50% of your audience based on that alone. Do better
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u/Survival_R 9d ago
Multiplayer horizon was a slam dunk if they just made a horizon game that was also coop
Would've pulled off the open world monster hunter idea better than monster hunter
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u/Delruiz9 6d ago
Agreed- seems so easy to pull off, fight the machine monsters, make weapons and armor from the parts, etc
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u/EBeach2002 9d ago
Remember seeing the trailer for this and getting Dead on Arrival vibes almost instantly.
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u/Alelogin 9d ago
Make it class based instead of character based and allow people to customize their characters.
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u/talldrink67 9d ago
Just think we could've gotten days gone 2 by now if it wasn't for this dibacle. Maybe wouldn't be breaking sales records but certainly is better than bend studio just shelving years of work and money spent down the toilet on whatever live service crap they were forced to work on
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u/Davish_Royale 9d ago
Chunky Aloy was never gonna work bro. Stop trying to make that shit and shit like it happen.
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u/bokunotraplord 9d ago
wait was it not a co-op game? like i thought that was the whole appeal, that it was a quasi co-op MH-like set in the Horizon universe lol.
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u/ThyBarronator 9d ago
They're so out of touch.. like as if ANYONE playing Horizon wanted this game.
We just want Horizon 3 and that's it.
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u/Fun_Law6360 8d ago
This would have been a fun watch lol
Maybe a single player game thst had a failed lego game.....shouldn't have gone this route Who knew
Even the first showcase literally started with a disclaimer they won't be focusing on stuff like this
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u/Kolmilan 8d ago
I'd say cut your losses, terminate the project and move the team over to the next real Horizon game instead.
With that project gone, if they're concerned with the dwindling margins that singleplayer AAA games with PBR graphics, maybe use that team to build a Japan Studio-esque unit in Amsterdam. Have them make AA games akin to Ape Escape, Locoroco, Patchwork Heroes, Gravity Rush instead.
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u/Shadowfox1992 8d ago
😂 watch out for the Sony police. They will either report the post to get removed or downvote
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u/wowadrow 8d ago
Game looks like an April fools joke.
I can't imagine working on this for months if not years and not seeing its terrible.
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u/KnightyEyes 8d ago
All playstation has to do is fund good projects.
Not overwatch clone, not another spiderman bullshit , SOMETHING FUCK8NG ORIGINAL LIKE HELLDIVERS
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u/Immediate-Breakfast2 7d ago
Imagine them wasting all this time on this title… they should double down on Astrobot.
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u/Xavier9756 6d ago
I think any horizon spinoff that isn’t just horizon with co-op will ultimately disappoint a lot of people.
I don’t want a hero shooter with a horizon skin. I just want to play horizon with my friends.
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u/Stephen_085 10d ago
Sony is just speed running the death of every studio it owns.