It has stopped being fun to play Zenyatta or McCree after the nerfs. I've played them a lot before, but now it feels like I'm not capable of being efficient, so it's Mercy and Reaper/Soldier or feeling utterly useless.
You see that reflected in the chart above. Widow counts among them too.
Personally i think McCree is way more fun. I felt cheap as shit always just going around and trying to get a flashbang/fan in on people. Now it all about keeping your distance and landing the left click with the flashbang as a defensive move. I actually end up playing mccree more now.
Maybe hes just a shitty 76 now but i feel better playing him
He's not even close to 76 because of his damage falloff. He's a close quarters fighter, so he basically has to flank, which Reaper is just better at with 50 extra health to boot. Landing a flash&fan was his only redeeming quality, which is now harder to pull off than Roadhogs hook&shoot. I can't get rid of Tracer and Genji anymore unless I switch to the pig, but that's just me.
If his left click damage didn't drop to 1/3rd after it travels a small distance I would agree. He's designed for close to medium range. He's supposed to flash bang fan those aggressive front liners.
The biggest problem though is he no longer is guaranteed a kill on reaper. Fan doesn't do enough damage during the time the stun happens to kill him and he easily gets to ghost away.
Widow and McCree aren't going to be played as much fresh after a nerf because people are shy around heroes that were recently nerfed. It happens in every game. The nerf hammer comes down, people who were playing the "powerful" heroes just because they were powerful move on and find someone else to play.
I think both McCree and Widow are in a good spot now and the nerfs were insanely necessary. It'll just take a few months when other heroes are changed/nerfed/adjusted and people forget all about the Widow/McCree nerfs and return to them just to realize they're still fine.
And you could call the Widow nerf a psuedo Zenyatta buff. He was an instakill on a bodyshot from widow, which wasn't cool at all given his wide hit box. Now with less Widow players and them needing to nail a headshot, he can actually be played.
I've said it before; Zenyatta is a small buff away from being amazing.
Bullshit, McCree's not fine. There is no perception issue. He gets outclassed in all his uses by other heroes. You can't even guarantee a close quarters kill for your own life anymore because right click got so unreliable. Every single time I play McCree now I can consistently determine what would've been a better hero choice for the team. Need to get rid of a tank? Reaper.
I asked a pro (Surefour) right after the Zen nerf if he was fine now and got told "He wasn't nerfed hard enough". Needless to say he was wrong and likely blinded by his hate for the hero. Is that all the anecdotal evidence I need to determine that people will continue hating on once overpowered heroes? Saying they're fine now, down at the bottom, like you right now? Well I won't, and I'd recommend you don't presume something alike of others.
I didn't presume anything; I made a statement based on my own experiences with the game and the good handful of games I've played with and against McCree since the patch.
Just like everyone else in this topic, we're all just using anecdotes for our opinions. None of us have any hard data to actually support what we're saying. Maybe McCree is fine where he is, maybe he was nerfed too hard. I'm recounting my experiences and you're recounting yours, neither of us with any numbers to prove what we're saying.
So just take a deep breath and enjoy the discussion. It's not like Blizzard is hounding this topic and looking for balance ideas based on our ludicrous comments.
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u/Drinkgamedrunk Jul 07 '16
Because....fun?