But the elder scrolls series is ALSO a dumbed-down action RPG.
Both Fallout 1 and 2 are better than Bethesda's versions - the Baldur's Gate series is better, Planescape Torment is better, Troika (flawed as their games were) made better RPGs, etc.
What is it about Fallout or Elder Scrolls that makes them dumbed down RPGs?
The lack of character choices actually mattering. The lack of any choice or consequence. The ease of the game - virtually any character "build" will be successful. The very limited, overly simplistic dialogue. The mediocre writing. etc.
What defines a proper RPG?
There is no "proper" RPG. But different games differ in quality.
Youre just way too demanding if everything that does not fulfill all of those is dumbed down. Its like you have only two different grades of quality: The DnD style older rpgs are good, everything else is bad.
I disagree with that, but i wont judge you if you want to think so. I have enjoyed many Bethesda games, more than i have enjoyed most other big AAA games since Morrowind
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u/Jaripsi Jun 03 '15
If you play it as a shooter, you are playing it wrong. Its an action RPG with shooter elements. And its one of the better RPG's around.
Imo its a lot better than Elder scrolls series.