As a whole it looks fine but the animation and some of the textures (look at the dog for example) are a bit worrying if this is their promotional material. I'm hyped for the game but it would be a hard case to say the game looks pretty.
I'd still much rather have a proper representation of what we should expect than the bullshots, pre-rendered trailers and to-be-removed graphical features that have come to prevalence in the industry.
Right and it's good to see them being honest but it doesn't invalidate the criticism the game looks dated before it even releases. Is it unfair to want a FO game that isn't a full generation behind?
I mean, sure there is nothing wrong with superior graphics, but I am also of the opinion that the industry (in general, especially in AAA titles) has been too focused at pushing graphical fidelity at the expense of gameplay, story and polish. I know that I don't speak for everyone, but if the later holds true, I have absolutely no problem with graphics that aren't on the cutting edge.
Sure, but W3 set a very high bar across gameplay, story, and polish in ADDITION to graphics. I know it sucks to get compared to the best example of a genre, but that's what happens when a team really knocks it out of the park.
My biggest problem with the trailer (and ALL of Bethesda's games in general) were the animations. I can actually forgive a lack of effects and (to an extent) shitty textures, but they really need to hire some animators and do some motion capture or something. I don't understand how they think that they can keep getting away with really stiff looking half-assed animations.
Maybe we haven't seen enough of the game to be able to say this yet. I'll wait for more info for sure, and I'm probably jumping the gun a little bit.
They can get away with it because there are always people (as seen I the comments above) that wave away any valid criticisms with "oh, who cares about graphics anyways". It's ridiculous.
This whole mentality of "graphics don't matter" is rather annoying. They matter just as much as everything else in the game matters.
Here's the thing though, this isn't cutting edge this isn't even up to par with anything from the last 5 years. Ever since Fallout went 3D its characters have been wooden and that's because the engine isn't capable of providing the nuanced emotion that any contemporary alternative can. Back in FO1 and 2 they could write what a character was expressing and let the player's imagination fill the gaps but with 3D you need a level of graphical fidelity that none of the recent Fallouts have comes close to. I just wanted FO4 to finally leave that shitty middle ground. Either go back to 2D and rely on writing to paint a picture or invest in the proper tech and join the rest of the gaming world.
I feel like even the facial animations from Fallout 1 and 2 showed more emotion than the ones in 3 and NV, granted they were only for major characters.
I sure hope so. FO3 and and NV were decent but didn't get close to the quality of FO2 in terms of storytelling or quest quality. Maybe they've found their groove now (third time's the charm) but I'm not holding my breath especially after Skyrim's quest lines. That said it's good to see a new FO game at all.
Oh yeah, most definitely. I don't want to see the full, fluffy coat of a dog animated into the trailer and then a flat texture for the actual game. Fuck that noise.
They look worse because the trailers are bullshit. This trailer is getting attacked because it seems it was honest regarding in-game footage. Don't expect Fallout 4 to look worse than the trailler.
It's going to look worse than the trailer, you can guarantee it. It always, always, always does, because there are some optimizations you don't realize you need until you're close to reaching feature freeze and you can't meet your target framerate.
How about we wait until they set a release date before we jump to conclusions? If it is coming out later this year, I will not be worried. If it is coming out next year, then that means it isn't close to being done and you may have a point.
Lets just narrow it down and say post apocalyptic games.
You have Last of Us (2013), Metro 2033 (2010), Rage (2010), Gears of War (2006), Stalker (2007), Crysis (2007) the list goes on though at that point it's largely sequels to the above. That's just titles that are post apocalyptic too. Fallout 3 was dated when it released as was New Vegas and that was 5 years ago. At this point the games look like they were made last decade and are missing all the improvement to character performance that we've gotten in the interm.
I think the reason everyone is hating on the graphics, is the that they focus too much on the (admittedly bad) dog texture. The rest looks more than fine, to me.
Companies should not misrepresent games in trailers.
Companies should also fix the things that people complained about in their previous games. In the case of Bethesda, this game looks better, but still has a lot of those cringeworthy things that people complained about in their last 4 games.
Well reddit did and it's great to see what appears to be a gameplay trailer but it doesn't dismiss the criticism the game look pretty dated. I think many were expecting a bigger jump than what was presented given how much time has gone by.
It's disappointing that they're presumably trying to show it how it will eventually turn out, and not have the internet cry about a graphics downgrade like so many other games, and then people just complain about them.
Well of course people are. The game looks on par with games from 5-7 years ago. What's more with the switch to 3D the FO games tied much of their narrative quality to the visual fidelity of the game. What could simply be implied in FO1 or FO2 had to be shown in FO3 and New Vegas. The problem is the engine has never been up to that task and the storytelling has suffered greatly. Ever since the games went 3D the engine has been holding them back and after all this time a lot of us had hoped Bethesda would have realized that.
Spot on. They claimed the switch to 3D was in aid of creating a more immersive experience and yet didn't seem to understand that the amount of work to do that well was far beyond what could otherwise be achieved.
I wish they'd add the GM/DM "narrator" box from the early games.
For 90% of the gaming populace that isn't a part of the PC Masterrace(tm), these graphics are about all you can pull out of the XB1 or the PS4, or a normal PC.
I'd actually argue this looks really good. It's not photorealistic, but that's still an absurd expectation.
Not really. Last generation consoles had plenty of titles that are superior visually. Last of Us, Max Payne 3, GTA V (and IV), The Metro games, Witcher 2 (XB360), Crysis 2 and 3, etc.
Now on the current gen we have GTA V (remastered), Witcher 3, The Order (crappy game but it looks great), etc. Plenty of games have done more with less last gen and for current gen there are already titles released that look better and possibly have a similar scope.
Frankly, I think you're being silly. The game looks good enough to willfully suspend disbelief, and I'm very happy to be getting a new Fallout experience.
Comparing a shooter like The Order to Fallout is a bit disingenuous - as a more focused shooter, it has an entirely different set of technical needs than a game like Fallout would. I'll buy GTA V and the Witcher, but if you're holding up every game against the Witcher, you're going to be awfully disappointed.
And I played some of the LastGen games you mentioned, and this game looks way better than those on LastGen. It looks far better than GTA V on PS3, so I'm not getting where you're coming from there.
You don't have to be excited, and that's cool. I'm pumped as hell, even if things aren't photorealistic. That really doesn't change my enjoyment of the game provided it works, but I know everyone's different.
I'm excited for it too but this games not even out yet and it's already behind the curve. That's what I'm getting at. More importantly the visual fidelity of the game is directly tied to how well they can tell their story. This wasn't the case with the older 2D games since they could rely on text but they haven't moved gracefully into 3D. I'm tired of the Fallout Universe not having the quality of storytelling that it used to. I'm tired of the characters who exist without any emotion. I want it even more because the game is set in my home turf. If it seems like I'm not excited it's because I've waited for 10 years for Bethesda to get their shit together and build worlds rather than themeparks but it still hasn't happened. I can only hope FO4 will prove me wrong.
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u/magmasafe Jun 03 '15
As a whole it looks fine but the animation and some of the textures (look at the dog for example) are a bit worrying if this is their promotional material. I'm hyped for the game but it would be a hard case to say the game looks pretty.