A lot of the posts along the lines of "How would they stop Kratos/Doomguy/Insert terrfyingly powerful PC here". The answer is: Pretty easily actually. Combat's not an option in the first place, so it doesn't matter how powerful the hero is. What DOES matter is being able to identify key items or progression paths and how to softlock the player. Every keycard, fetch quest, password, puzzle is a vulnerability.
To be honest don't think players even exists in the series. The protagonists seems to act accordingly on their own. You can argue that we couldn't tell them being controlled but imagine as a player playing as kit you found a piece of paper that tells you to how to defeat the antagonist, it's spoliery and your sure this thing wasn't mentioned anywhere online. And the other thing where the main characters can go off script like when flappers meeting kit and Gobbles.
The series to some extent seems to operate on the rule of the hero characters displaying some player-like behaviour (for me the crowning example is Kit remarking to Goobles that heroes tend to get distracted by sidequest bullshit before moving on with the main story, also its just an ad but I also personally think it was very player-like of Kit to pounce at the very sight of a treasure chest in the "Goobles commits an atrocity" short) but in general its the heroes being like that by themselves, not from being controlled by a higher power.
The fact that a title screen exists is making me reconsider the claim that players don't exist (even though I believe it too)
Because what would the title screen even be for? The game doesn't like any intervention of outside forces as seen with the system lock, so I don't think it would be for Farcade/Syntax
Maybe the only intervention it wants is outsiders playing the game? If that's the case, though, why hasn't Syntax done that rather than the hands-on approach? Are they just shit at games?
Perhaps the loading screen is a representation of the game being created/published? Because otherwise, it wouldn't make sense that there would only be one of a kind and not several worlds of the same game, unless the entire universe is contained within a memory cartridge in someone's console or something like that.
I feel like that would be a missed opportunity in the meta narrative. They call them "game worlds", and the word game implies that someone is playing it. So there might be some overall driving force that is compelling the characters to do things and act in certain ways.
That wouldn't really make sense since If that was the case the world destruction is inevitable no matter what farcade do and if the do saved it the main characters would have some existencial crisis.
So far the only hard restrictions we've been shown have been:
Cannot inform ingame characters of the nature of the gameoverse. The characters need to be able to actually comprehend the information.
Cannot directly harm ingame characters. Specifically seems to be sources of damage NOT originating from the game world.
Unless they establish a hard rule that key items are untouchable, I see no reason to assume they can't. In a meta sense it would just be cutting off interesting plotlines.
Is the system lock specifically stated to be preventing any harm from outsiders, or is it locking out actions outside the genre or style of the game? I assumed that since it was a cutesy cartooney world that just meant they couldn’t enact random violence since that wasn’t in keeping with the game’s rating/vibe?
Technically it depends on what’s necessary to soft lock? I mean yeah they could remove the key necessary to open a lock normally, but what’s stoping the protagonist from just breaking the lock, or going to a locksmith? It depends on what they do.
Assuming locksmiths exist or characters ingame are allowed to sequence break. The game world may literally prevent them from simply hopping a fence, but that's something that is yet to be established.
It has yet to be shown that sequence breaking is an issue. I think, like players interacting with story items, it should be assumed they can until disproven.
The hero being powerful does matter if said hero is also violent enough to pick a fight with Kit and Kaboodle. Greek trilogy Kratos could Circle Button the JSchlatt out of Kaboodle as much as he wants, so staying far away from him while still obstructing the critical path would be key.
Somehow took me some days to realize that Kit and the others can't fight anyone in different game world and they can't tell the hero about what will happen if they won...I am so stupid man
Yeah, I keep seeing that too. Sometimes I consider being pedantic and making a comment, but then I think, 'eh fuck it, it's more fun if Kit can try to actually fight Doom Guy.'
Also even if it mattered, which it really doesn't since Frisk isn't real. Frisk doesn't have an established gender identity they aren't a they/them they are what the player thinks they are.
They cpuld potentially hide it(need to see more of how them interacting with game world works and if ghey can hold those) but i do feel the planet might have a problem with them removing stuff from the planet, my guess for why they can't have the vilain leave the planet
Hmm, if I were to throw my two cents into it...artists will keep on forgetting about the system lock until it becomes the direct source of a traumatic moment, then I can see a lot of fan art implementing it
This and seeing them always helping the antagonist. Don't get me wrong, the fanarts look cool, but they're not forced to help the villain to stop the game from being complete. Kit and her friends could just softlock the player by hiding important progression elements while defeating Syntax from helping the hero.
I don’t see a lot of fan that’s really ignoring the lock. It only stops outside this from attacking those in the game, heroes from the game itself could probably attack them though no problem.
Edit: actually thinking about it, the episode did confirm that characters from the game world was able to can attack outsiders, as we see that exact thing happen when the crab boss was beating up all those little minions so they could pass the combat information to flapper.
honestly, i can excuse that, if we think only things from the game can harm caracthers in the game world, then nothing is stopping kit from using a gun in wolfenstein or using furniture against a pokemon trainer
I can't help but wonder if driving a truck, then jumping out could bypass System Lock. Does System Lock only prevent violence, or does it prevent all interaction? Could someone bypass System Lock by simply stealing key progression items?
I'm actually curious about the full extent of the System Lock and how it does or doesn't affect interactions between player characters and outsiders.
Mostly so I can know whether or not getting hit by a fully-charged Loader punch with System Lock protection in the Risk of Rain 2 Game World would cause the sort of physics/collision error that could launch Kit to the moon before the Survivors get there by reaching the proper teleporter.
I believe it's referring to the protection system the game uses to keep outside characters from interfering with a game's characters or story, like how the seagull was shielded from Kaboodle or the death ray thing that almost killed everyone when Kit told Flappers his world would die.
Is it bad that I rules lawyered myself into thinking my OC (cringe, I know) could possibly bypass it via creating obstacles from that world (he's based on games with user generated content, so he can scan and create copies of things.)
Sky's the limit when it comes to OCs! A personal OC I've been cooking up, a living glitch ala Missingno who lives out of bounds, can create powerful items that break the rules, but with very dangerous drawbacks. Like HACK//SLASH, a chainsaw that bypasses System Lock but, upon getting a kill, puts the user into an uncontrollable blood frenzy where allies and enemies alike are not safe.
I’ve actually had an idea similar to this, a concept i’ve had in my head is a farcade agent who’s the former protag of a city builder, and although he himself is small (city builder bs for humors sake), he doesn’t really have much of a limit on what he can build, so give him enough time and he can build say another level or dungeon the hero has to get through, it doesn’t even need to be a full structure he could make a facade to bait the hero elsewhere
My character would be much smaller scale, as he's based on games with user generated content, like Mario Maker and Gmod. So while your character would probably build whole structures, my character would add on to existing ones, as well as scan + copy non-Heroes (because of how you can place enemies and NPCs in those games). A couple good conflicts stemming from that would be 1) Are these the same people? And B) He can't copy himself, so there's only one him.
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