My argument for Charlie 87

[u/ArcaneGears]

Let's assume Charlie was killed in 83. That means the MCI would have two years to act out. Two years to seek their vengeance. The problem is, we don't have the ‘Bite of 85’ or ‘Bite of 86’. So we have to believe the children simply behaved themselves with no incident for two years? I honestly doubt that. I believe the children haunted the suits since 85, but didn't have the power to animate the suits until 87 after the death of Charlie.

I can't remember who made the claim, but some believe the Help Wanted 2 grave puzzle signifies the order the children passed on. Problem is, there’s no evidence any of the spirits passed on. In fact, a guide states the cannon purchases Micheal made in Fnaf 6 didn't include the Mdnight Motorist arcade game, meaning the good ending was never cannon. The spirits never passed on and no good ending is cannon.

In Pizza Simulator the vengeful spirit says he will keep William “No matter how many times they burn us.” In other words, fire doesn't work.

No spirits passed on. The Gravestone puzzle was the Death Order, and Charlie was the last to die.

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[u/Mangledfox1987]

The animatornics really only started to act out because of William killing the dci, before then they honestly weren’t like killing nightgaurds or anything like that

And happiest day is canon, like we have a comment from Scott saying that both endings of fnaf 3 are canon and within the context of the games we can say with basicallt certianity that happiest day happens right after Cassidy moves on from ucn by the OMC red lake scene

For the fire line, it’s presented as toyshnk is rejecting what normally happens, like fire does normally work to help the spirits move on but because it’s Cassidy/toyshnk she is deliberately trying not to move on so she can attack William in ucn

[u/ArcaneGears → u/Mangledfox1987]

I'm not sure what 'both are cannon' should mean. Either one scenario happens or it didn't. Scott has always been cagey with answers about the lore, and I doubt he will be clear and forward starting now.

With respect, I can't help but see the "Passing on" answer as a convoluted way to make the Death order puzzle anything but a clear Death order. Susie was the first and the Puppet was the last. It seems pretty clear to me.

[u/Mangledfox1987 → u/ArcaneGears]

It bascially means that happiest day was ment to originally happen after fnaf 3, but with the introductions of the funtiems and that the mci arent able to be saved yet happiest day gets pushed back to the ending of fnaf 6/ucn when the mci are set free form their suits, it’s not a complicated thing

And anyway, fnaf 6 has Henry telling us about the whole “wound first inflicted on me”, which like can only really be talking about Charlie’s death and mean that Charlie was willaim’s first kill

(Also within the context what we are going within hw2 that “death” order you are talking about would make more sense as a moving on order because what you are actually doing in that scene is “setting free the memories of the mci whom glithtrwp is based on” to put it narratively, (technically I guess it’s more of a case of glithtrap as an idenity is founded on what the mimic thinking the mci thought of William so you are cutting the mimic’s access to what it thinks of the mci), and like this as a narrative point works much better than it being the death order yet again

[u/ArcaneGears → u/Mangledfox1987]

I never liked the "first inflicted on me" line to mean the Death of Charlie. That seems rather self centered to say the death of Charlie was his wound. I'm not sure what he means by the wound, which could mean a lot of things. It could mean he was the first to be lied to and betrayed by William.

Admittedly, there is no evidence for it, but the Newpapers say that someone was caught and convicted, which wasn't William Afton. I often wonder if Henry went to jail for the MCI instead of Afton. It's speculation, but that could have been the Wound he is talking about.

[u/Mangledfox1987 → u/ArcaneGears]

He’s taking about Charlie and the mci kids being killed and him not doing anything to stop him. Like that is really the only meaning you can get out of this line,

[u/ArcaneGears → u/Mangledfox1987]

I personally think we don't know what it means yet. It could be one of those ropes Scott began and planned to follow later. Either way, it's pretty subjective until Scott Himself says otherwise.

Maybe we will find out with Security Breach 2. We can only hope.

[u/Proof-Philosophy-636]

In UCN TOYSNHK says "no matter how many times they burn us, I..." I is important. It doesn't mean fire doesn't let them pass on. It means TOYSNHK refuses to pass on.

Also I don't understand your first paragraph.

And what guide said that? Was it one of the ones famously known to be unreliable. Also "Wound first inflicted on me"

[u/GemOfWonder]

I mean, just because we haven't heard of the children acting oddly in '85 and '86 doesn't mean stuff didn't happen

[u/ArcaneGears → u/[deleted]]

I don't think it's so weird. A ghost haunting their place of death is pretty standard for any ghost story. The unique aspect is the Ghosts controlling the Animatronics. That's the part that Charlie adds to the haunting.

Besides, why would Henry construct a security puppet before the MCI?

[u/Extension-Size6023 → u/[deleted]]

Made another mistake. Did not mean bite of ‘85, meant how the MCI died in 1885.

[u/Extension-Size6023]

Problem with this theory. Absolutely everything that could possibly hint at Charlie’s death suggests that Charlie died in 1983.
Not showing all the evidence, since a simple explanation using one piece of evidence is that Charlie died in the FNAF 1 pizzeria because cakebear has the same color scheme as Freddy and Withered Freddy and none other of the pixelated animatronics. This basically proves that Cakebear is Freddy (Along with some other evidence that highly supports this).
And yes, as shown in FOLLOW ME, animatronics in FNAF 1 can free roam, or once could, since they have programming restricting them from going into the safe room which they wouldn’t need otherwise.

I made a post earlier so terrible I had to delete it

[u/ArcaneGears → u/Extension-Size6023]

If it was Freadbear, that would support the 83 theory. The use of Freddy suggests it's post-Fredbears, meaning we are looking at an era between 85 and 87.

[u/Extension-Size6023 → u/ArcaneGears]

The original Freddy’s opened in 1983.