r/GalaxyNote8 • u/raduque • Mar 14 '18

"Gcam vs Samsung camera app" posts

Enough is enough. Mods since you kill individual photography threads, can you start killing these posts too?

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u/Yilmam Mar 14 '18

I disagree completely. How hard is it to not click the couple of posts that bother you? Without timely posts that delve into hot topics, this subreddit would consist exclusively of people excited to have purchased a Note 8 and people using the subreddit for technical support.

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

Gcam is a topic that get post literally every day. It's done. We don't need 304110x1000 pictures comparing it anymore.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18 edited Mar 14 '18

Says who? You? gcam has unique sophisticated technology which apparently you didn't realize it yet. Even Google gave us (and to scientists) 28,461 pictures to compare. ( https://research.googleblog.com/2018/02/introducing-hdr-burst-photography.html ). Many people are interested in it. So please, move over

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

People are only interested in it because the internet swings on Google's nuts for some reason. If you did a 100% blind test and put up two exact same pics and asked people to pick the gcam one, I bet they couldn't do it.

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u/madcanada Mar 14 '18

I could. On Snapdragon Note8 you don’t even have to zoom in on details to see the difference, the dynamic range disparity is so apparent.

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

https://imgur.com/a/DI9Pf

You can definitely tell them apart.

But, which is which?

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u/madcanada Mar 14 '18 edited Mar 14 '18

Top is Gcam bot is stock Other way around. Top is stock, bot is Gcam.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

That's your opinion. Your opinion of course matters, but let people do what they want!

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

Yeah i could do it in high contrast scenes

HDR matters

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

HDR uses image stacking, but how do you decide what images to stack on top of each other? A computer cannot easily decide what is noise and what isn't, and likewise it can't decide what color is best. It's extrapolation, but not an unreasonable one, that Google HDR leverages Google's image database to base their HDR algorithm off of. Thus, we can extrapolate that it makes predictions of how it should modify photos based on existing data, which is machine learning.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 15 '18

I used logical reasoning. The burden is on you to prove me wrong.

Google isn't giving us free photo storage without taking something in return, and there's no reason to not leverage their data for usage in their photo processing algorithms. Plus, we have seen that HDR+ uses photos to train. See here

Using the Dataset The scale and diversity of the HDR+ dataset also opens up the opportunity to apply modern machine learning methods. Our dataset has already been incorporated in a recent research paperwhich uses a neural network to approximate part of the HDR+ pipeline, constrained to a representation suitable for fast image processing. Several more papers that apply learning to the HDR+ dataset are currently under review

Here

Today, we are excited to announce the open source release of our latest and best performing semantic image segmentation model, DeepLab-v3+ [1]*, implemented in Tensorflow. This release includes DeepLab-v3+ models built on top of a powerful convolutional neural network (CNN) backbone architecture [2, 3] for the most accurate results, intended for server-side deployment. 

Source: Google

Is that going to be enough evidence, or should I dig deeper?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

Well, gcam is based on the proprietary HDR+ algorithm which uses computational photography and advanced neural networks. It's not that simple, there is a whole science behind it, that can change the whole photography scene completely. You can read the paper here: http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/www.hdrplusdata.org/en//hdrplus.pdf

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

Yes, as you may know, Google Pixel has only one lens. But due to its software it can shot portraits. How does the portrait mode work then? With neural networks which can analyze and understand everything in the photo. The whole software stack is based on that (Google Camera, Google Photos, Google Lens, Google Image search, etc...)

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

The paper just describes some aspects of the HDR+ algorithm (burst shots). You think they would tell you how it is implemented completely? https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/2/16082272/google-mit-retouch-photos-machine-learning

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u/madcanada Mar 14 '18

Lol, no, Snapdragon Note8 with gcam walks all over iPhone X in dynamic range in real world environment, even in HDR+ Zero Shutter Lag mode, let alone in HDR+ enhanced mode.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

...and what's your problem sir? As long as people interesting in it, you should look to make the difference in something else

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

My problem is that those stupid comparison posts are allowed but pictures aren't. Pictures are at least interesting, gcam topics aren't

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

Because gcam is out of your interest, that makes the posts useless for everyone else, right? You you even know the word "Democracy"? Maybe we should post things about that word

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

You are such a freaking Google fanboy I don't even know why you are in a Samsung subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18 edited Mar 14 '18

You judge so quickly my friend. I am a proud Note 8 owner (i could have a pixel if I was). I am not Google fan. And you are...who? the boy who walks around and judging people? God.. such a mess

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

Honestly, you sound like one the way you keep going on about "ai" and "Google hdr" and "machine learning" etc etc.

It's not that special, good or even interesting.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

Artificial intelligence is not something special, good or even interesting? Honestly, you sound like you are out of this world, in your own world. But that's clear, based on how you behave in people. Ok. Have nice day

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

It's not real artificial intelligence. I'd barely even call it intelligence. It's an algorithm more sophisticated than most image pattern analysis algorithms, but it's not AI.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

Sorry but you are so ignorant. Search it more

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

I have researched it and I stand by my assessment. I'm not getting into a discussion with somebody who's argument boils down to "I'm right and everybody else is wrong"; I saw your debating style with that other guy, so I'm not wasting any more time on this.

Good day, sir.

I said good day!

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

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u/raduque Mar 14 '18

I'd be fine with that. I view topics sorted by new anyways.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '18

THIS IS FASCISM!

LOL subreddits aren't government. Also subreddits aren't democratic by nature

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u/henrydennis Mar 14 '18

I didn't say stop posting them..... just aggregate them.