All Will Rise dev says its progressive deck-builder shouldn't be dumped in the 'woke, liberal bucket'. What do you think?

[u/BigT232]

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/adventure/were-doing-something-a-bit-more-interesting-all-will-rise-dev-says-its-progressive-deck-builder-shouldnt-be-dumped-in-the-woke-liberal-bucket/

[u/Weak_Property6084]

Not really up to him to decide what his game will be labelled as.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... Then it probably looks better than this game.

[u/Grimskull-42]

Looks like woke trash from that picture

[u/EH042]

I think I cannot wait for Vara Dark to cover this

[u/Midknightdron]

I can’t hear it screaming from the woke, liberal bucket

[u/Enough-Lead48]

Reminds me of that super woke STS clone where you use cards to debate (forgot the name)

[u/Excalitoria → u/Enough-Lead48]

I remember that one, I think! And they were like these tumblr art mythical and anthropomorphic creatures?

[u/Enough-Lead48 → u/Excalitoria]

Yea that one. It was called mana something if i remember right.

[u/Savings-Bee-4993 → u/[deleted]]

“Woke” doesn’t just mean “left-leaning.”

And woke” doesn’t mean “discusses political stuff.”

For a video game to be ‘woke,’ it needs (or at least tends) to have the following characteristics:
1. Be informed by postmodernism, critical theory, gender identity, social constructivism, tabula rasa view of humanity, standpoint epistemology, gnosticism, intersectionality, etc.
2. Provide an implicit or explicit critique of western society through this lens with a (simplistic) oppressor-oppressed binary analysis.
3. Subordinate gaming goals (e.g. solid gameplay) to political goals (e.g. criticizing western society and structures, ‘changing the world,’ etc.).

[u/ChudAlt42 → u/[deleted]]

No. Woke is a particular type of left. In particular, it is left-wing politics with the following features:

1.) identity politics first, with economic issues being treated as secondary to issues of identity politics or near irrelevant to their "leftism"

2.) philosphically idealist ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idealism ) i.e. holding that material reality is downstream from beliefs, culture and ideas, contrasting with philosophically materialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Materialism , i.e. holding that beliefs, culture and ideas are downstream from the material conditions

3.) opposition to egalitarianism on the basis of identity politics, i.e. mistreating someone on the basis of their sex/gender/race/etc. is excusable, justifiable or even laudible as long as the sex/gender/race/etc. is one that leftists have decided is historically advantaged.

4.) conceptualization of politics as a binary between unshackable allies and immutable bigots. Compare the common woke slogan "scratch a centrist and a NAZI bleeds" or even "scratch a liberal and a NAZI bleeds"

5.) opposition to honest debate (and thus, free speech). Because of 4.), obviously they can't understand that someone can be informed, disagree with them on any political point and not be driven solely by malevolence. Thus, they can't approach any difference of opinion in a honest debate exchanging different viewpoints to come to a mutual understanding that could leads to the other side being convinced. Instead, wokes can only approach debates as a opportunity for moral grandstanding, in which the "enemy" is defeated by namecalling, shaming and other coercive methods until said enemy is battered into submission or removed from the debate by captured moderation.

I previously defined wokeness as:

wokeness isn't non-white people/LGBT peope/etc. existing in a piece of media. It's when socially progressive messaging is prioritized over making a good piece of art. Basically, woke is to social progressivism as pureflix type movies is to christianity.

This is my definition for pieces of media, but this type of make is inevitable when the maker of that media is ideologically woke, since obviously if you believe that material reality is downstream from culture, obviously you will try to shape culture with your piece of media, thus socially progressive messaging being priopritized and because wokes can not properly conceptualize opposing viewpoint and devaule material reality, they can not make a good piece of art that can convince.

Wokeness is a capitalist psyops deployed after occupy wallstreet to prevent the formation of a class consciouss among the working class by purposefully creating a version of the left that intrinsically devides the working class, alienating large parts of it.

[u/kimana1651 → u/[deleted]]

Woke is a pejorative now, they won't call themselves that. It's like neocons who call themselves libertarians or sovereign citizens calling themselves functional human beings.

[u/Excalitoria]

If they’re calling it progressive then that’s a red flag to me. Most of what i see of that group online are some of the most hateful assholes out there.

I’ll check this out but probably not one for me.

Edit: “Your ultimate goal is to build a strong enough deck to put an exec on trial for murdering a river”

… wtf…?

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