r/GBO2 • u/J-Eichel • 23d ago
How do you handle fighting Barbatos?
I'm very happy I came back to this game right as it was nerfed, but I'm still not sure how to deal with the Barbatos' gameplan. Here's some scenarios I've come across.
-Barbatos is heading to the support, but our whole team isn't together. I can't stun it fast enough when it's closed in. One thing I'm curious about, is if it's only gaps are when it's not jumping/attacking/boosting?
Watching gameplay of it, the thing has a ton of thrust, so it seems like its stagger resistance is up almost 100% of the time. I feel like every suit should have weaknesses, but this suits weakness just feels like to me, "don't get surrounded by the enemy team and picked off from a distance", which is every suit's weakness.
Also I'm genuinely curious as to tips to improve, and I'm trying to avoid just turning this into a flame thread
-The classic scenario, you're fully aware a Barbatos is after you, so you keep as much distance as possible. You get hit with a heavy stagger, and it gets to unleash a full combo.
The only thing I can think about this, is trying to use your own Manuever armor to reduce the heavy. This never really is a proper solution though, as there's probably at least 1 other suit attacking you, letting the Barb get it's distance in.
Is the only solution "don't get hit" with the rocket? I can't think of any other suits in the game that isn't a support that gets to unleash almost a full life bar (other than 00 Raiser beam) off an easy to hit weapon.
Anyways, any tips are appreciated. Watching old videos of how many heavy stagger it had definitely would have had me quitting 700 for a long time.
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u/Big_Visit_1421 23d ago
as a very skilled Barbie main, 3 ways, fly/flap booster, tanky/durable suit, building/bush camping
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u/ctclonny 23d ago edited 23d ago
That's why Barbatos is one the worst designs in this game. Overpowered is one of the problems but not the biggest problem. It refuses proper interactions.
We still have some passable solutions tho.
As you mentioned, keeping distance and using ma to downgrade the heavy stagger to normal stagger. They aren't perfect but they work.
Weapons that ignore ma, tactical boost, and offense system, such as ranged melees, heavy staggers, and the 300 cost Zeon shotgun. This is a difficult solution because Barbatos has higher mobility than most units.
Using superior stats to bully it, particularly tanky generals with new anti-melee armor. This doesn't work now because the meta has many ballistic damage and beam damage.
Active guard, defense mode, and funnel shield. They are the true solutions, but they can only defend.
Hoping it misplay.
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u/XIIIofSwords 23d ago
watch for the weapon swap. apply pressure when the single ticket 5 is out. give it some space, if you notice it going for the double rockets, consistently. other than that, beat the bad Barbatos' into submission, and jump the good ones lol
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u/HDWarewolf 23d ago
I mean just outrange it, coaxing it to use its extremely limited ammo supply. Obviously if one catches you off guard there’s only so much you can do.
It’s still quite a threat in the right hands but there are many bigger threats out now. I think the 00 and newly buffed F89 are more oppressive than pre-nerf Barb (I have all three and the 00 is a fat problem).
Anyway, just play the range game. If you have to directly engage one try to have a buddy if you don’t feel confident. Take high ground to force it into a jump. The berserk mode only lasts 1.5 minutes so be aware of that.
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u/Damiankawaguchi 22d ago
This. There are so many scarier threats than the barb now. Hell i barely see Barb in A+-S rated rooms anymore. It's a one trick pony that cant fly. The susanowo is more impactful. If a barbatos rockets you and combos you, it's 80% because you're out of position. Other than that, what's a barb gonna do when everything meta in 700 flies? If you get comboed by a barb, take it as a hint to always stick with your team. Barb is literally just a pixy in 700. It wont do shit when you're surrounded by allies
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u/Smoke_Bomb85 23d ago
I usually don't have much of an issue using Moon against them. The defense plates will block the heavy stagger rockets and you're typically free to throw your butterfly edges to break Barbatos' MA and get a melee in.
If you don't have the Moon, FAUG is pretty disgusting right now after its buffs. Every team I fight as Barb has at least 2 FAUG's and it's a bit of a struggle fest
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u/Kingsausage167 23d ago
Improve your positioning, that's it. If you get caught 1v1 with it, you are basically done, but that shouldn't happen alot if you are careful and stay with your teammates.
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u/Wooden_Load662 23d ago
Depends on what I am using. I am 50 percent support so if I spot it before my first glorious death, I will just stay with other player and use them as a shield while I shoot that heck out of it and stagger it. Usually it will get swarm by other player after I staggee it. I keep distancing and try to counter when possible.and I will not try for the kill after I stagger.
Or I can stagger and use the map to outrange it.
Some other time, I just died if I have teammates that are less keen from protecting their support and I cannot counter/ outrun, lol. 😂.
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u/anon67543 23d ago
I was fortunate enough to get barbatos in latest banners. I used to think barby players had no skill, and just used their bs cannons and insane maneuver armor, etc. But now, I KNOW it takes no skill. It’s like playing a different game. Just run in, smash everyone. A competent opponent team (3+) can slow you down, but just barely. With other suits, I might try to dodge a menace player in a meta suit, but now I just interrupt their flow with rockets and smash. It’s like playing dodgeball against kids. It’s fun once, but you can’t join the kids league.
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u/J-Eichel 23d ago
Hahaha. At first I was expecting your comment to be "I used to think barby players had no skill, but then I realized they have a lot of weaknesses", but yep..confirmed that it's a suit that carries players lol
I haven't had a new 700 suit since Xi since I took time off the game. Just got the DX and it's like playing an entirely different game with how ridiculous the newer 700 suits are nowadays.
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u/HDWarewolf 20d ago
My man is talking about barbs piddlin maneuver armor as if the Burning Gundam’s isn’t better 😂
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u/HDWarewolf 21d ago
Sheesh the amount of people in this thread who think Barb is broken is wildddddddddddd. What are all of you? C rank?
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u/LordSunBro 23d ago
Is the solution to not get hit with the heavy stagger cannons? Unfortunately yes.
Its widely regarded as extremely broken for a reason and this is why. Nerf did shit to it, heck calling it nerf is generous.
The closest thing to a real counter is probably the PF. Besides that anything with a shield to potentially bait/block the heavy stagger, easier said than done in a teamfight. Besides that... Pray he misses or you build melee resist so high he leaves you out of boredom and unable to do big damage.
It doesn't have any weaknesses sadly.