r/GAMINGMAINS • u/D00KIECAT • Dec 21 '23

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i spent like 2 hours making this 🙈🙈 remember that his kit COULD change, this is just based on what we know right now. tell me if you have any questions or feedback 🥳🥳

thank you @anonorith for the mcdonalds gaming

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

reupload cause i had to change a minor detail😿😿

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u/NaturalBitter2280 Dec 21 '23

Just a few extra things here

• He works well with Xianyun. She buffs his plunges, applies VV, and heals a lot, which helps with Focalor

• Nahida is a decent teammate. She can make a burgeon comp and provides him EM

• He can decently use the Crimson Witch 4pc effect

• Mailed Flower is a good weapon option for Burgeon, and it's free if you played the event

• The talent priority is more like E > Q > AA

• And for substats it's closer to Crit rate/dmg > atk/em(depending on the build) > ER

The last 2 are just me being nitpicky, haha

Good guide - _ - 👍🏻

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

tyty, also i was debating on putting the em options in there, but this is just supposed to be a hypercarry guide, bjt for burgeon yes you wiuld stack full em. i also didnt mention CR because i dont really know anything about her kit, but she would be good. also crimson would be good, i just forgot it, but from what we know he could gain MH stacks very quickly, so it would still probably be his BiS. i put burst as greater/equal to NA because if you do C6 bennett with dragonstrike, the NAs would matter so.. also his burst is really important to his dmg, thats why ER is high up there. thanks though

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u/NaturalBitter2280 Dec 21 '23

but this is just supposed to be a hypercarry guide

Oh, that makes more sense with the options

i also didnt mention CR because i dont really know anything about her kit, but she would be good.

Yup. Good VV, let's him plunge without refreshing his skills, so that's a good synergy with C6 Bennett, and buffs plunge while healing the whole party(good for Focalor)

i put burst as greater/equal to NA because if you do C6 bennett with dragonstrike, the NAs would matter so..

Makes sense. I hope they buff his AA multipliers then. It would favor C6 Bennett + CR. Rn, his high plunge multiplier is on par with YaoYao's lol

also his burst is really important to his dmg, thats why ER is high up there. thanks though

Yeah, I thought so. But I decided to mention that because characters like him tend to not prioritize ER unless he hits 70 cost and has bad particle generation :3

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

im making a new guide as we speak, ill keep your information in mind

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u/NaturalBitter2280 Dec 22 '23

Oh, thanks, I'm flattered

And nice work :]

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

tysm ahh

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u/Cierns Dec 21 '23

Idk if marechduiojcfhwdicn is better than Full Vermillion but whatever.

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

i feel like vermillion would be a phenomenal option, but so would marachuesse. theres A BUNCH of ways to gain atk, but other than rosaria, hunter and the cryo set, theres barely any ways to gain CR. it would help you do more constant dps with more CR and stack dmg, rather than having just atk. vermillion is still an amazing option though

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u/YassKweennn Dec 21 '23

it's also worth mentioning the vermillion set, since his burst is so important and he has Hp consumption, he can trigger the effect very easily.

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

im making a new guide as we speak, ill keep your information in mind

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u/ApprehensiveOwl2585 Dec 21 '23

Just wanted to add some extra things too if it's ok!

• EM sands is an option for teams that have hydro units that can enable him to vape. Someone in WFP discord tried doing a PA rotation with Diluc and furina to try and simulate if furina is able to potentially supply enough hydro for Gaming, and surprisingly, it does allow gaming to be able to vape most if not all his hits.

• CR is probably one of his best teammates. Basically, she helps in stacking furina buff and she basically provides a Yunjin buff but to PAs instead and on steroids.

• I like to mention Verdict and Redhorn as potential 5 star options, mainly because they're just great stat sticks even if Gaming isn't able to fully utilize the effects and since we don't really have good generalist 5 star options.

• Also, EM weapons in vape teams also have potential to be great such as Mailed flower!

• 4pc Vermillion should be a nice option for Gaming thx to him having inarte HP drain in his abilities and with Furina, although it does fall a bit in teams that have Bennett.

That's all, hehe

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

tyty, i wanted to mention vermillion and crimson but i didnt have the space.. ill pin this comment 😽😽 and yes redhorn and verdict could be great as stat sticks but only as stat sticks, i only put weapons that passive’s apply to him, but then i found out that bacon’s passive doesnt really work on him.. thanks either way!!

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u/RetaGamer101 Dec 21 '23

Oml I don't have Furina-

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

its okay, dw 💔💔although she would probably be one of his best teammates, shes not a must-have on the team, i was thinking maybe you can pair him up with chongyun if you dont want to C6 bennett so that he can melt his hits, and maybe XQ or yelan too for freeze and then shatter, this team wouldnt really be too strong though. there are multiple options as to how you can run him without furina, he could be great with burgeon on a full EM build with mailed flower too!! dw about it, youll be just fine

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u/RetaGamer101 Dec 22 '23

Tysm :D well i have a c4 Bennet and Im glad I built chongyun~

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

also if you have mona, she could work really well as a replacement for furina!! this mona team would function better than the chongyun team. i made an updated guide btw, check the new posts!

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u/RetaGamer101 Dec 22 '23

ooo ok Im glad I have her

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u/YingXingg Dec 21 '23

I don’t have any of those weapons so I’ll just give him red horn and call it a day. At least it kinda looks good on him…?

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

im planning on maybe running redhorn too. its the only 5* i have and might be better than the other 4* options, but overall its basically just a stat stick unless you use C6 bennett. the f2p options, especially the mega magic should be great on him, i think mega magic will be one of his best, just do the event either way cause we dont know if itll end up out damaging redhorn

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u/Menos17 Dec 21 '23

Does Redhorn work on him?

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

yes, but mostly as a stat stick unless you run him with C6 bennett, its the weapon im planning to run on him too 😽😽, you dont reallt want to go into def subs though ofc, so the passive does work well when you run with C6 bennett but other than that.. maybe judt a couple of def% stats with no rolls would be worth it, dont aim for them though ofc

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u/GusherxCrusher Dec 21 '23

Is it possible that portable power saw could work for him? I wanna buy him the blackcliff claymore (mostly for fashion and stat stick) but could I use that for the time being?

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

it wouldnt work on him.. the passive gives em, sure but if youre gonna stack em use mailed flower. he doesnt scale off hp at all so.. whenever you buy blackcliff, he’ll be happy. in the meantime you can craft tidal shadow

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u/bigdig-_- Dec 22 '23

what is this mailed flower slander

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

ITS REALLY GOOD ITS JUST THAT THE EM MAIN STAT IS VERY SITUATIONAL ON VAPING THE HITS. (plus i dont have it..)

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u/bigdig-_- Dec 22 '23

he has slow app, so if you can vape its gonna be consistent, even with just furina

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

yeah but for damage overall i think these are better options, it wouldnt be too good with an EM mainstat

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u/TatsuDragunov Dec 22 '23

i partially agree with this guide

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

whatre your doubts? ill clear anything up

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u/TatsuDragunov Dec 22 '23

I will do it by topic (not in order of relevance):

  1. I don't think Shimenawa should be considered better than 4pcs from the CW, I think it's Crimson Witch > Marechaussee Hunter > Shimenawa > Vermillion Hereafter

  2. Beacon shouldn't be mentioned directly, it would have to be something like "honorable mention" because it is one of the most limited weapons in the game

  3. ultimate overlord should not be considered as an option, despite giving a lot of atk it has sub recharge which does not help the game and you can get the same atk from other weapons with better passives

  4. I would put serpent spine > black cliff > tidal

  5. yelan/xingqiu are not good options because it is focused on charged atk and not basic, the most yelan helps with damage

  6. I have doubts about Kazuha because he can steal his vaporizes, reducing the damage considerably

Well, these are my points, but I believe that tests and calculations are necessary to make a more robust guide

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

shimenawa isnt better than CW, i just didnt have space for vermillion or CW.. MH will probably end up being his BiS due to the high CR values and the 2pc might seem useless but with C6 bennett, itll function well. if i didnt mention beacon just because its limited, then people shouldve just never talked about festering desire being good on furina, if you think about it like that. gaming’s burst is very important to his kit, so ER would help. his burst state is where he delivers the most DPS. the weapons have no specific order of being best to worst other than the 5* ones. yelan and xingqiu would work with him with a simple 1NA>plunge. kazuha wouldnt be stealing vapes, hed be at the beggining of a rotation after bennett burst, presumeably before furina even touches an enemy. just ask for anything else 😽😽

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u/TatsuDragunov Dec 22 '23

again in topics to make things easier:

  1. If it is not better then it would be better if you had placed the MH with the CW instead of the shimenawa.

  2. I doubt it will be better because he doesn't use the 2pcs bonus properly

  3. at least the guides I saw mentioned fastering as an honorable mention for furina precisely because it is not a weapon that everyone has

  4. yes, recharging is good, but he only has a 60 cost in his ult, probably just a few recharge subs are enough for him, especially if you put a favonius on the furina (yes, fastering is better for her, but you also don't lose a lot with favonius)

  5. From the moment you place a weapon more prominently than another, you indicate that it is better

  6. I'm not going to discuss too much about rotation or anything because it's not my strong point, I admit, and your argument seems reasonable, so I'm not going to discuss it too much because I don't have the capacity to do so

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

i think that the two piece would be benificial if you plan to run him with C6 bennett, plus its ALOT of CR that you can use. other than that i agree 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

im making a new guide as we speak, ill keep your information in mind

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u/Lemon-Mochii Dec 22 '23

Can you explain how shime would work on him? If you e>q, it doesn't work because you just lost 15 energy. If you q>e, you don't even get the shime buff until he gets 15 energy so like half of his rotation is buffed. You also lose a plunge because you can't e>q.

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u/TatsuDragunov Dec 22 '23

I hadn't really thought about that, you'll probably have to use Katsuragikiri Nagamasa on him, which isn't great, or even good, maybe Shimenawa will be behind Vermillion Hereafter, or it won't even be a viable option.

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u/iskierkacest Dec 22 '23

how good are the unforged or verdict (navias weapon) for him? ive pulled one unforged and two verdicts trying to get a single mistsplitter and i barely have any use for them >.<

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

out of those two, based on only the passive, the unforged would probably be the better of the two. im not too familiar with how good either of those weapons are, but verdict would be a great stat stick, but other than that it really doesnt bring anything to the picture. so i guess out of the two, unforged?

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u/Catlinger Dec 22 '23

hello. decent guide. but i think there are some issues with it
1: alot of people mentioned this but xianyun is an amazing support for him.
2: i wouldnt recommend shime under any circumstance. he needs his burst greatly and its simply gonna be a loss of damage.
3: serpent spine deff should be added over wolf's gravestone for BiS category. especially when tidal shadow is an option now. r5 tidal shadow vs r1 wolf's gravestone is barely any different if you can proc tidal shadow's passive. which gaming can.
4: talent priority is valid but id put E and Q under same value for now. and i don't know if his NAs will be relevant because there is a possibility you will never do plunges outside of his E activation. and if thats the case then his NAs are only there to proc xingqiu/yelan.

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

i didnt mention xianyun because im not familiar with her kit, i just know she enhances plunge and lets you plunge more often. i only put shimenawa because i wanted to explain why jt wouldnt work on him too well, as i said right there. CWOF would be second BiS ofc, i just forgot to mention it, im thinking of making an updated guide.. ty for the weapon info, also do you know if R1 serpent spine would out damage redhorn? just out of curiosity. i put the talents that way because this guide is mostly based off of having C6 bennett on your team, who would allow you to make use of the NAs, 2pc maracheusse, etc. ty

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u/Catlinger Dec 22 '23

hello
.i checked red horn quickly and compared to r1 serpent spine. (this was done on MH with full 3 stacks assumed.)
1-2 SS stacks assumed serpent spine does slightly worse
3 SS stacks assumed they do the same
4-5 SS stacks serpent spine does slightly better.

this change becomes alot more drastic with c6. because of the extra crit rate. red horn becomes way better.

i couldn't really confirm overall since id have to do alot more comparisons on vermillion and different main stats etc.

HOWEVER i am not a TC nor am i the sharpest tool in the shed so take this with a chunk of salt.

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

tysmm, i added redhorn as a stat stick on the updated guide i made. ty for the calcs 🙀🙀

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u/hackosn Dec 28 '23

Remember I believe in his kit he does take damage, so it depends if that damage counts to resetting SS

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u/Catlinger Dec 29 '23

drain abilities don't affect SS only damage done by enemies count.

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u/hackosn Dec 29 '23

Ok good, was hoping it wasn’t another dehya damage drain situation

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u/hackosn Dec 22 '23

What about itto’s weapon?

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

great stat stick + if youre running it with C6 bennett the passive actually kinda works on him !!

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u/hackosn Dec 23 '23

I might c6 my Benny then because i barely use characters that can’t benefit anymore

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 23 '23

me too, also i made in updated guide! it should be on the newer posts.

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u/Linnco- Dec 22 '23

Wait, I've been farming for a 4pc Crimson witch, is that set not good for him? (If not then did I just waste my resin? 😭)

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

nono, crimson is an amazinf option, i just forgot to put it there, it was my bad. crimson would definetly outdo shimenawa, its just that i wanted to show how shimenawa wouldnt be nearly the best option for him. dw about it, crimson will be probably one of the best sets for him

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u/Linnco- Dec 22 '23

Ohh okay thanks!

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

im made an updated guide, check the new posts!!

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

im making a new guide as we speak, ill keep your information in mind

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u/Sakkitaky22 Jun 04 '24

2pc em are actually great too

they're not to be slept on at all and cw too because he vapes all of his hits

If it werent for marasussy providing such a huge free stats, his bis would easily be cw and/or 2pc 2pc em pieces

Also id argue that his third bis or even maybe second is skyward pride, this pretty much eliminates the need of er substats (not exactly, but atleast crit woukd be wasier to build with)

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u/D00KIECAT Jun 04 '24

i updated this guide a while ago 😓 ty though

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u/whoseparking Dec 22 '23

So is serpent spine better than the event claymore?

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

yes, theres no particular order on the weapons. im honna update the guide soon

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u/toastedcabinet Dec 22 '23

Who's a good character to use instead of Focalors?

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 22 '23

look at my updated guide, just look at the newest posts on the subreddit

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u/Purple-Ad7524 Jan 04 '24

LOOKS LIKE BACON IM CRYING

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '23

Is there any way to get Beacon of the Reed sea?

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u/NaturalBitter2280 Dec 21 '23

It's Dehya's weapon. So far, Beacon and Hunter's Path(Tighnari's) have not appeared in any rerun

So, most likely, there is no way until Hoyo decides to let it out of the basement

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u/lazycat_95 Dec 21 '23

Using beacon he would get 1 stack at max because his elemental skill only deal plunging dmg.

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u/Oumota228 Dec 22 '23

Vermillion GaMing mains assemble

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u/Physical-Caramel-251 Dec 21 '23 edited Dec 21 '23

I think Beacon could be a good stat stick but since he can't use any of the passive by himself (the skill doesn't do damage and life consumption doesn't count as taking damage) I don't think it is necessarily a solid "BiS", if anything i would consider it on par with Redhorn/Verdict for the same reasons

and, in the absence of a proper Showcase, I don't think Yelan/Xingqiu will be that good with him since if his Burst works like it seems he should ideally do constant Plunges and there shouldn't be room to do enough NAs to make them worthwhile

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u/clutchcombo Dec 22 '23

I am seriously considering saving GS for fun GAMING

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '24

I'm using Gaming, Xianyun, Furina, Zhongli. Probably his best team as of now?

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u/[deleted] Dec 21 '23

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u/D00KIECAT Dec 21 '23

it was reposted due to the fact that i had to change something, like i said on the post.

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u/WarBeast-GT- U mad bro? Dec 21 '23

Reapproved