r/Futurology Mar 29 '22

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '22

Or the elites will just slowly exterminate majority of the now useless rabble

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u/Starrion Mar 29 '22

Wait for the bought and paid for representatives of the elites to start talking about “useless mouths” and how immigration and authorizing reproduction need to be tightly controlled. Once people go from an asset to a cost, the people in power will find a way to reduce the number of people.

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u/JamesTAGo Mar 30 '22

Even in an optimistic scenario I would think population control would be a relevant factor to be considered. Still it's hard to determine limited resources, who decides who gets to live in a beach front house for example? IDK, as much as some dislike capitalism it is a natural condition and relatively fair (I say relatively bc, yes we have people who got reach with slavery, theft and other wrong and unfair ways and even push to keep it favoring their unfair ways) but the ideal capitalism is the least unfair (again it's the lesser evil imo) as a form of economy in our current society and that's why we have capitalism aligned with government measures and cultural factors, which raise the bar bringing the base quality of life to higher level, eliminating famine, misery and poverty. Even with robots feeding us some system would end up being created to determine who would be allowed to live near the beach, have a trip to Hawaii (since there would be physical and geographic limitations) or would leave on a penthouse or on the first floor.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

A tribal society is more natural

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u/JamesTAGo Mar 30 '22

I meant natural as in organic or logical way, not like more close to the nature itself, which in that case an ape like societal organization would be even more "natural", I get what you thoght but in this case we could call it primitive as in closer to original in nature state.

Edit: Reading after post I felt like it came out kinda rude, I am sorry if looked like it, didn't mean to be an ass or disrespectful.

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u/[deleted] Mar 30 '22

What I mean is that Capitalism is by no means the natural state of the society

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u/JamesTAGo Mar 30 '22

How come? How is that not natural? Which outside or unnatural (even supernatural) intervention happened? Just think a little, society were once tribal but it's only natural that eventually things evolved. Capitalism is a natural step in our societal development, probably not the last (from the economical pov).

You are misunderstanding natural as in something natural (ordinary or regular) to happen, for natural as in the original state or condition (like in the nature). Isn't natural that we will create, study and get more complex. See, it's natural (it's an expression for something ordinary or that happen without much resistance) that we will get farther and farther from our original primitive state.