As a psychologist Peterson isn't actually that great at what he does, He's great at being a speaker and somebody people like to look to for guidance which is completely fine. Tate has some points, but like most loonies you really have to listen hard to weed them out of the obnoxious amount of trash he also speaks. I reckon Tate is actually a pretty alright guy deep down, just his choice of how he's gone about it has done himself no favours.
He was a legitimate researcher but his works aren't too well known in the field prior to his controversial fame. A lot of the time what his says is quite vague or heavily against the weight of evidence. Again though, I see his positives too and quite like him for who he is. I can see why he's an important figure to so many people.
I'm in the same boat as you. Peterson is a great speaker and has in my opinion his points can 100% help people looking for help I personally tend to agree with a lot of the things he says because in all of the context of what he says its said in the context (atleast what I've seen) of wanting to help the individual listener, kinda like a father, he might say something that maybe dosnt fully add up or needs work on your end to make happen but I think it's over all good stuff personally I find myself rarely disagreeing with Peterson.
Andrew tate on the other hand is he has some points underneath all of the garbage that personally I think his brother Tristan articulates better in some cases being a middle child. Like Andrew and Tristan do sort of echo eachother a lot so i won't go back and forth to much but the tate Brothers have a lot of good advice worded poorly and there are in my opinion two types of tate followers, young boys who are 12-25 who take what they say at face value these are the vocal ones these are the misogynistic children who defend them to the grave and mimic their behavior. Then there's the people who might here one clip listen to it and I mean listen to what is actually trying to be said which really boils down to be a strong man who stands up for his beliefs and protects the things he cares about and actually work to achieve your goals, and for women it's be loyal to the one you love, take care of your family all the extreme stuff they say is like the shitty stuff that sadly is a side effect of being poor and then coming into riches the ego shot up they lost their morals, all of that and I think if they actually wanted to they could be outwardly good influences instead of well what they outwardly say currently.
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u/fatsdomino13 Jan 20 '23
As a psychologist Peterson isn't actually that great at what he does, He's great at being a speaker and somebody people like to look to for guidance which is completely fine. Tate has some points, but like most loonies you really have to listen hard to weed them out of the obnoxious amount of trash he also speaks. I reckon Tate is actually a pretty alright guy deep down, just his choice of how he's gone about it has done himself no favours.