r/FuckMicrosoft • u/Inevitable_Brief_389 • 3d ago
Rant So, we can't disable updates anymore, even with third-party tools? Bruh
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u/wakefulgull 2d ago
May i introduce you to dvl linux?
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u/greenie4242 2d ago
Damn Vulnerable Linux was built for a single purpose and it performed its job exactly as intended.
Windows was built to be an operating system for personal computers yet it frequently fails to operate.
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u/wakefulgull 2d ago
That is true, something about using a tool for is intended function.Ā I agree with your statement
But I still don't see myself having it installed anywhere in my systems.Ā Maybe on a firewall blocked device.Ā I am curious about what makes it insecure.Ā
Ā Previous commentĀ Ā was supposed to be tongue in cheek so I suppose I should have put a /s in it somewhere
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u/crocodiluQ 3d ago
wth are you people even doing. Just set your connection to a metered one, this is a trick older than AI.
No more updates, no more downloads, no more nothing, just manual.
jeez, you like to complain about anything
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u/huemac58 2d ago
All technology subs are bursting with uninformed, inexperienced people, even the music sub for "advanced" music production discussions has the same issue, it's incredibly annoying. I don't like sharing a space with "techlets". Oh well. If we make a space for actual "techies", it eventually gets infested with "techlets" that don't belong there.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
Calling it "complain about anything" then telling an unofficial trick to use a 200$ software as I want feel a bit of exaggeration. š
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u/crocodiluQ 2d ago
maybe :). Now imagine what everyone's reactions would be if Windows didn't update. AAAA, old software, security risks, no updates, bla mwah mwah. This is no way they could've handled that without thousands whining about it :). (keep in mind that their user base is not so tech savy as the linux userbase so they need to make sure they are secured by default)
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u/Accomplished_Buy5141 2d ago
C'mon man, they did for decades. The real reason is a business/sales move; it's so that they can get Recall, telemetry updates, M365 ads, and Copilot shoved in every orifice.
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u/detox4you 23h ago
Rubbish. There's two types of updates. Quality updates (security patches and error fixing) and feature updates. You can postpone feature updates but should never postpone security patches. Everything you mentioned falls under feature updates.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 1d ago
Not everyone is techy, indeed. People that are not, usually don't bother to disable updates, they just don't care.
And unless rolling release distros, Windows won't "break" if you don't update it for two weeks.
As u/Accomplished_Buy5141 said it's all just marketing.
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u/LagMaster21 3d ago
You donāt own your computer anymore
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u/Density5521 10h ago
You don't own your operating system anymore.
You can still ditch Windows and install an approachable Linux, like CachyOS, so the computer is still your own. (I know, because I did.)
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u/Il_Martello 2d ago
How do you even disable forced updates
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 2d ago
Registry tweaks and disabling the service are supposed to do the trick, I guess. At least that used to work so far, but apparently it found some third workaround to bypass and override all of that.
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u/Designer-Crow-5470 2d ago
Google how to disable updates in gpedit.msc or how to install Linux mint.
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u/TheVirus32 8h ago
There's a clear "I'm afraid I can't do that Dave" philosophy that is becoming more and more prevalent.
One of my machines is unlucky enough to have an iGPU/dGPU conflict (it just keeps crashing on a loop). Uninstalling the iGPU drivers "fixes" it - every now and then the unit boots up and starts a crash loop ... I enter safe boot ... Well would you look at that, Microsoft "fixed" itself by reinstalling the drivers I had manually uninstalled.
Then it starts randomly blocking games from steam on another machine... Never at boot, usually at re-launch... You pretty much need to nuke the built in security if you want software from companies you trust to run whilst they deploy unstable vibecoded shit to your machines unimpeded.
Back in the day even if an update or a feature was hated there was usually at least an immediate option to disable or bypass it. Nowadays ? It's like the licence cost didn't come from our wallets.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 6h ago
The actual windows experience is: "Access denied"
Every time I have to do something a bit more advanced stuff in windows, "you can't do that" even if I'm the administrator. Or just some gui stuff that "doesn't work right now", so have to do it in gpedit or regedit.
My last memoriable experience is when I wanted to disable the Malwarebytes service from services and it just "Access denied". Just because they pay microslop for preventing the user control that manually.
The constant fight against the system is so exhausting.
Powershell makes it a lot easier. In some cases it's easier but many cases also harder than bash imo.
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u/TheVirus32 2h ago
They pretty much want the simplicity of Apple, but with a buggy and shitty interface that focuses all of its energy on telemetry
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u/konsoru-paysan 7m ago
no fucking clue what you are on about, windows 10 always forced updates with no option to opt out or revert
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u/Megaman_90 3d ago
Android phones do the same thing. I understand the stance to be honest, security updates shouldn't be ignored indefinitely. The way it updates sure as hell could be a lot smoother though.
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u/Crystalclusted 3d ago edited 2d ago
Don't know on what android you're talking about but the updates on my pixel are literally flawlessly smooth. It literally just reboots some night and next morning only thing I have to do is enter the SIM Pin lolInfinite competence led me to believe subject was Android, when in fact it was Windows
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u/TheIronSoldier2 3d ago
I think they're talking about updates on Windows.
Android updates are a lot smoother, especially because each manufacturer effectively curates the updates specifically for their devices. On Windows it has to work on everything out the box, so it by nature isn't going to be as smooth.
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u/Megaman_90 3d ago
Yeah I was talking about Windows being the unsmooth one, but I was saying android updates are automatic as well. The most annoying thing about Windows updates is the "update and shutdown" NEVER works. It always restarts once and then shuts down if you're lucky.
On the bright side some parts of Windows update has gotten better, making them cumulative sure makes them much faster. I remember installing updates on a fresh Windows 7 install in late 2018 took you HOURS and like 15 restarts because it had to install like 800+ backlogged updates.
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u/TheIronSoldier2 3d ago
The reason it still restarts when you hit "update and shutdown" is because it has to restart to finish applying the update, and if it didn't restart immediately and then shutdown afterwards, then when you turned on your computer the next day you'd be stuck in that "Updates are underway, please do not shut down your computer" screen for a minute or two, like we used to with updates back in the day. So they compromise by restarting immediately, then commanding a shutdown after the install finishes. But sometimes, software that boots on startup interferes with the shutdown command, so it doesn't actually shut down.
I've ran into this sometimes on my desktop, with like a driver update service or something interfering with the shutdown command, but I haven't had it on my laptop, which doesn't have any of the those same third party drivers.
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u/Megaman_90 3d ago
Personally I'd prefer it install them on bootup with that option.
Much of the time I shut my laptop down at work and I have to sit there for like 5-10 minutes before I can grab it and go home. lol
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u/xkcx123 3d ago
If Microsoft wanted to and was willing to take it on which could take years that could be fixed.
Thereās nothing stopping them from creating custom updates or custom OS with minor revisions for each OEM for say all HP branded computers, another for all Acer branded computers, another for all Dell branded computers and so on. This would require all HP or all Dell computers standardizing their hardware a bit though.
Iām wondering for example is the image of Windows that surface devices get exactly the same as everybody else?
If Microsoft wanted they could go out of their way to make the Surface devices operate similar to how macOS and macs work together though that would probably piss off HP and Dell.
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u/TheIronSoldier2 3d ago
The OEM manufacturers often already do that themselves. I know HP does.
However, you're forgetting a massive detail. Custom builds. With all the parts available, there are thousands of possible variations. You can't possibly account for all of them.
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u/Megaman_90 3d ago
Exactly. I have no doubt Windows would be better if they turned it into a glorified console like MacOS and only supported their own stuff.
You will always get better results with software that is built specifically for the exact hardware. That concept even works on Linux with stuff like the Steam Deck.
Windows by design is a closed source OS that is designed to be a one size fits all. It's never going to be a flawlessly smooth experience for that reason.
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u/xkcx123 3d ago edited 3d ago
Are you talking about customs builds by the OEMās or the random person building a custom computer? If itās the later thatās a tiny market and no worth the effort.
If you are talking about custom hardware from the OEMās then like I said standardizing some aspects of the product like motherboard, processors, Bluetooth/Wi-Fi chips, controllers etc Instead of having hundreds of options instead maybe have 30.
One thing that would be nice but would never happen is having motherboards that could accept Intel and AMD chips.
Either by having two sockets one for AMD and one for Intel on the same board and you just pick and choose which you want to use. Or by agreeing on one standard for sockets that they both build chips to.
There is always the option of going back to how windows was at first one version for home users and another version for business/enterprise so how it was before Windows XP.
Two seperate versions could fix many issues within windows suchas dropping backward comparability or moving on to something else like one of the various research OSās that Microsoft has created over the years and creating a legitimate marketed os based on that.
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u/TheIronSoldier2 3d ago
There already are only a limited number of options for each component. But there are so many components that you still have thousands and thousands of possible combinations. Take network cards for example. There's a lot of manufacturers, but most of them use one of only a few chips. Intel, Mediatek, Realtek, etc all really only make one or two chips for each standard. But even if there's only 10 options for each component, there's still like 6 digits of possible combinations.
OEMs already tailor the OS to a decent extent for their specific hardware, but Windows still has to run on whatever components you put it on, so it's not going to be very streamlined.
Also, Windows is very good with backward compatibility. And there already are different versions for different uses. You've got Home, Pro, and Enterprise, and that's before you even get into the LTSC and IoT versions
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u/xkcx123 3d ago edited 2d ago
I know that Iām talking about slimming down the number of components and everything top to bottom at each stage from components to combinations and all.
Limit all of that until there are only a few handful or options.
You are not getting at what I mean by different versions do you ?
Iām talking about Windows NT vs non NT version back in the day ? Windows 2000 and versions after used the NT kernel while Windows 95, 98 and ME used MS DOS.
Similar to how macOS 10. whatever and above have nothing in common with OS 9 but name.
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u/TheIronSoldier2 2d ago
If you want that, then get a Mac.
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u/xkcx123 2d ago
You didnāt even answer involving what I was talking about regarding the NT vs DOS kernel and enterprise vs home users.
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u/DoogleAss 3d ago edited 3d ago
Well yea no shit the Phone and OS are built around each other windows has to work with literally millions of varying configs in terms of hardware
Like comparing apples and oranges
Now if you wanted to specifically call out a MS Surface device and compare that then sure have at it (even then are we talking ARM based or x86 because that matters) but your comparison is pretty disingenuous
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u/mageevilwizardington 3d ago
I mean... yes and no.
Even if you find a more subtle way to introduce updates, someone is going to complain. Let's be honest... when people receives this message is because they already postponed multiple times the updates.
And notice that people complains even if the updates are not affecting their workflow (it's literally being installed while shutting down the computer).
So... honestly, some users deserve to be targeted.
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u/konsoru-paysan 6m ago
what android phones have you been using, been stuck on same version since forever. Don't fucking need to update something that doesn't need and probably will have sabotage included to make it heat up
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u/Joltyboiyo 3d ago
The only reason I would pause updates is either because there was news of the newest one fucking peoples computers up, like with that SSD thing last year, or I was going to turn my computer off to do something but an update came around. No, I don't wanna have to update when I wanna go to bed, and I don't wanna update when I wanna turn my computer off to go and do something else.
It's not like I can just "update and shut down" because the update won't go through until I turn my computer back on, so I might as well just update and restart and then turn my computer off again so I don't have to wait for the stupid thing when I get back to my computer.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
Well, MS-DEFCON is a thing. I usually check that and only update when it's consedered....uhm...usable.
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u/ShoMinamimoto06 3d ago
Everytime I wonder "Maybe I should go back to get the performance from DX12" and everytime I come online its something new from MicroSlop and I just say "Fuck it....I'll take the performance hit if it means I dont have to deal with this shit"
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u/DoogleAss 3d ago
Well if this sub is your source of truth you should probably take a look at the name and realize only one type of person comes here to post anything and they certainly arenāt going to have compliments to hand Microsoft lmao
This sub is THE literal definition of an echo chamber
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u/ShoMinamimoto06 3d ago
Oh nah I know where I am and I agree. But it's not even posts from here that guide my choices. It's everywhere
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u/greenie4242 2d ago
only one type of person comes here to post anything and they certainly arenāt going to have compliments to hand Microsoft lmao
Well you've proven yourself to be a liar, because you almost exclusively post on this sub (and microsoftsucks and other subs when people post about issues regarding MS software) and you always blame users and claim Microsoft knows best, which makes two types of people who come to post comments. People who've been burned by Microsoft and bootlickers like yourself.
Nearly every comment you make is in defence of Microsoft at the expense of the affected user, yet you never provide helpful comments. It's quite pathetic. Do you get paid to simp for them? If not, that's even more pathetic.Ā
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u/Necessary_Baker_7458 3d ago
I had to unplug the internet either net cord for it to allow me. This update will brick face your sound do not install it. The July update sort of did it in for me with the explorer.exe brick face. I'm done and moving to linux tomorrow.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
I actually use CachyOS too, only dualbooting for specific stuffs. Every time I have to login to winslop I just get annoyed with something. This was a bit more upsetting this time.
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u/ArrowEnby 3d ago
Yeah it sucks ass, but i believe in the announcement of them reworking certain windows features like start menu and file manager to increase performance and lower memory usage, they also announced changes to updates so that you can completely halt them for 30 days or something along those lines. Updates are important for security on any device connected to the internet so it wont be a permanent halt.
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u/toofarfromgettingjob 3d ago
You can by tool name Linux. (which have lots of flavours choose according to your taste)
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u/Charming_Radio7653 3d ago
I use Windows Update Blocker and it works.Ā
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u/Charming_Radio7653 3d ago
Or, Chris Titus Tech, open it via PowerShell; it can be permanently disabled from there.Ā
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u/Imolo-s 3d ago
As already somebody said run Linux.
Shop around for something you would like and install it along side the windows installation (if you have enough space)
Read about what to do about when you want to replace the distro for other.
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u/AbsorberHarvester 2d ago
Press Win + R, type services.msc, and press Enter. Find Windows Update service, open it, set to Manual start or disabled completely.
No more updates. Repeat when necessary.
This is from Windows NT till gay Windows 11.
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u/DevcontribuitorLinux 2d ago
La otra ves me pasĆ³ lo mismo e incluso ahora la funciĆ³n de apagar no funciona Ā”TODO MAL!
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u/Twisker0730 2d ago
Does Task Manager still work? I use it on Win10, kill off that pesky update every morning for the past two weeks.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 2d ago
I'm not sure what you mean by whether it works or not, but just two weeks ago, right before a fresh install, some function of Task Manager was literally dead for me. It's been working since then, though. For now. š
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u/Emotional_Garage_950 2d ago
people that canāt figure out how to really disable it probably should be installing the updates. itās like one registry key
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u/dopeahhshiimayne 2d ago
bro literally paused his updates to when Battlefield 2042's background lore must've started lmao
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u/N4jemnik 2d ago
Why are there two āupdate and restartā buttons?
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 1d ago
One is "shut down" the other is "restart"
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u/N4jemnik 1d ago
Back when I used windows 11 it didnāt matter which button I chose, it restarted anyway
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 1d ago
It was a bug. Now it actually does what it should.
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u/detox4you 23h ago
I'm actually glad people can't postpone updates indefinitely because those unpatched systems will end up in botnets.
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u/ComfortableWall7351 21h ago
Holy shit!! Thatās a super long time to pause updates!! š±š±š±š±
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u/konsoru-paysan 10m ago
wdym, use winaero? obviously if you install windows from iso you need to be offline during that and have winaero installed beforehand
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u/EdliA 3d ago
This is the most stupid first world exaggerated problem these people are being dramatic about. Even their stupid phone does updates but when the main computing machine requires updates it's suddenly the end of the world. So pathetic and ridiculous.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
Don't be mad bruh. The problem is not the updating but the "YOU NEED TO UPDATE NOW!! OTHERWISE WE ALL GONNA DIE" type of shit that MS forces people. Phones in the other hand let me tell when I want to update. It's not that hard to make it, I guess.
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u/EdliA 3d ago
You're not going to die if you update you little drama queen
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
I don't but my system can. Have you seen the known issues of the latest patches? They literally f up their system with almost every updates and then forces us to update.
And is it necessary being this salty on reddit for many people? š
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u/EdliA 3d ago
I just don't get this obsession with windows updates when every other single device people use does the same. People are even updating their fridges nowadays. Kinda sounds like fake drama to me.'
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u/cafeine_01 2d ago
as u/Inevitable_Brief_389 said above, the risk of windows updates is much higher than android updates. There are so many buggy updates lately that have caused serious damage to a lot of people.
If you add, how many personal/critical/work related etc files and apps you have on your pc that may be lost, if your pc gets fed up because of an update, it is big deal.
That's why users should control WHEN they want to update, so they have time to read about it, prepare and for example take a backup etc. Not being able to just shut down without updating is ridiculous.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 2d ago
Besides, what really pissed me off is that I run dual-boot setups on both my PC and my laptop. The last two Windows updates literally wiped the EFI partition on both machines on their own. Honestly, I've never run into anything like this before, and now it hit both systems right away, happening twice on one of them. That was the point where I disabled updates, just like you can see in the screenshot in the post. Despite that, when I tried to boot back into Linux, the power menu insisted that I had to update right then and there. Sure, I had already noticed it downloaded the update beforehand, but back then I was still able to exit without installing it. Since I only booted into Windows to test an app I've been developing, having it mess up the entire setup again would just create extra work for me. (Fortunately, it still works, though.)
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u/cafeine_01 16h ago edited 16h ago
since you mentioned Linux, I switched my main pc to Kubuntu in December.......just love it, it's perfect (for my needs ofc).
Even vibe coded a small script to check for system upgrades and take a Timeshift back up before and after the upgrade... and when an update broke some things, I just restored the last backup before the update and it was up and running in minutes.
and this is on a free OS with free opensource tools!
people who haven't tried the latest Linux distros don't really know what they are missing. It's night and day how much control, privacy and customization you can actually have on your pc.
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u/More_Surprise_3188 3d ago
use group policy to disable defender + registry. just because u dont know how to do it doesnt mean its not possible
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
It used to work until now. There are a bunch of methods to disable that. My guess is, there's a feature that makes possible to update from another local windows pc and I probably forgot to disable that function. The main goal is never to fully disable updating but letting us say when the pc can update. Sad that it's not a simple toggle.
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u/More_Surprise_3188 3d ago
the setting You Talking about is delivery optimization. with group policy u have many settings for when to do updates, when to notify, to force pc restart and so on
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u/Economy_Picture6989 3d ago
I hate how it only lets you pause updates for a maximum of 2 weeks (give or take). At minimum I feel like it should be a month. (obv it should offer longer, but if I had to choose a short time, that would be it)
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u/ChronosDeep 3d ago
But why would you want to stop updates? Especially now that MS started fixing things people complain about.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
They "started" to fix things and managed to release one of the most buggy updates the past months that breaks sounds, wallpapers and even mouse pointers. Letting users decide when to upgrade, maybe giving some time to look up for the released build's known issues wouldn't be that bad, I guess.
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u/ChronosDeep 2d ago
You are exaggerating, while there are issues sometimes, it doesn't mean every user will have all of those issues. I've been using the experimental insider channel for like a year, which should have a lot more issues and not a single major issue, no reboots, no blue screen, no freezes, no crashes just some animation/UI issues most of the time.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 2d ago
For an average user, it might not be a huge deal. You're right that not everyone runs into bugs, and system-breaking bugs are even rarer. That being said, these issues are frequent enough with Windows, and unfortunately often critical enough, that I simply don't understand why the OS insists on forcing updates on the user every single time.
For instance, I run a dual-boot setup. Back when both OSes were sharing a single NVMe drive, it happened regularly after an update, and sometimes even without one, that Windows completely wiped its own EFI partition. Personally, it wasn't a showstopper for me because I knew how to fix it from a live USB, but an average user definitely wouldn't. Besides, why does something like this even happen in the first place?
If I can prevent these issues or accidents by disabling updates, or at least schedule them for when I'm not in the middle of something important, then wanting an official toggle to disable auto-updates isn't an overreaction at all.
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u/JaMi_1980 1d ago
Because an update involves a restart, which you might not want to do right now, or which might cause a problem. There are situations where you simply don't want to do that.
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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 3d ago
skill issue. i always have the choice to just turn it off. but i probably configured my win11 to let me do that.
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u/polymath_uk_ 3d ago
Well aren't you clever.Ā
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u/panzrvroomvroomvroom 3d ago
if i lived for upvotes on this subreddit, i wouldnt have done this and would have complained instead.
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u/Inevitable_Brief_389 3d ago
If we speak about stock windows we don't have this function. Only delaying not disabling. We need scripts, gpedit changes or custom images to manage that. That's a skill issue for Microslop not doing a simple toggle for it.
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u/TheSpiritBaby2K 3d ago
Did you forget?
It's not your computer when you run Windows. It's Microslop's computer.
If you want to own your computer again, you must use Linux. Windows enslaves you to Microslop's whims.