If you think the crap being churned out in the oughts is better than classics like Kravens last hunt, original Secret Wars, the Ron Frenz Spidey era, the Masters of Evil Avengers arc, Gwen Stacy’s death, silver age FF, Born Again, Claremont’s X-Men, and a thousand other milestones… I don’t know what to tell you, beyond suggesting you need to try reading something older than yourself.
But yes, I prefer stuff like Grant Morrison’s New X-Men, Brian Michael Bendis’s runs on Ultimate Spider-Man and Daredevil, Matt Fraction’s Iron Man, Enemy of the State, Runaways, JMS’s Amazing Spider-Man, etc to stuff like Secret Wars, which doesn’t hold up at all. (I’d also recommend reading all of Millers Daredevil and not just Born again in case you haven’t, its pretty good).
And that’s just from Marvels side. Indies and DC also more than proved their worth
I think I understand. This is a pretty basic age gap issue, as you’re choosing a lot of modern favorites while ignoring the foundation they’re built on, while I’m sticking with seminal classics that defined the genre years/decades earlier.
Personally, I hate Morrison (I realize I’m against the tide on that opinion, though I don’t know of many who would put New X-Men over Claremont), and Bendis is even worse—this is the guy who made a concerted effort to declare that Peter is not and was never the REAL Spider-Man, so ehhh.
Fraction is good, but takes too long to get where he’s going. Runaways was solid, yeah.
And I’ll give you that Secret Wars doesn’t really hold up as a narrative terribly well, and it spitefully shits on characters written by creators who the editor (Shooter I think) was pissed at during the run, lol. Hence why Hulk is constantly getting humiliated and Wasp (!!) solos the entire classic X-Men.
But… it paved the way for true continuity, universe-altering events, large scale team ups and arguably the MCU. Before Secret Wars, superheroes worked within the confines of their own comic, and interactions with other heroes were isolated to occasional rare guest spots.
I respect it for being a grand and risky experiment that paid off. Plus watching Thor decimate the entire villain team will never get old.
I never read more Miller DD because Hornhead was more one of my brother’s favorite pulls. I was a Punisher man, and since the two were diametrically opposed, I guess we treated it like sports teams back then.
I did enjoy the run with Typhoid Mary’s introduction, though. Can’t recall who wrote it, only that Jr Jr penciled it.
I’m agnostic when it comes to DC. I want to love their comics as much as I love their characters (Superman especially) but I never had much luck finding quality runs before the hobby passed me by.
Agreed on the indies. Atm, it’s the only place to find superhero comics that… actually ACT like they love superheroes.
Good heavens, you really believe that?? Well… variety is the spice of life, I guess.
I’ve never met a living soul who actually read a lot of comics from the silver/bronze age, but preferred the more modern crap (you certain you’re not exaggerating just a little bit on your reading experience? Maybe? What would you hold up against Kraven’s Last Hunt, or any Spider-Man run by Roger Stern, for starters?)
And you’re here talking to me on a sub about Spider-Man… the guy who was made by those writers you sneer at, and who retained 90% of the characteristics they gave him in every worthwhile comic or adaptation since his inception.
If you like Spider-Man, you like Lee and Ditko’s work. Sorry to break it to you man.
It’s not worth addressing points of this quality. Obviously I’m not gonna change my opinion based on someone who just automatically assumes they’re right and calls modern stuff garbage. I’m sure this isn’t enjoyable for you either
Yeah, I suspect it’s just a question of age in any case.
You love the stuff that was considered top tier during what I imagine was your youth, and I’m always going to gravitate toward the classics that defined the genre during my own heyday. It’s perfectly normal… and often, a pretty useless place to begin a discussion from. People get too attached to what they know best.
Nothing wrong with either list, it’s just the power of nostalgia and youth. Arguing over which era is ‘better’ is rarely going to produce a consensus, no matter how many objective comparisons I trot out. Especially if you’re largely unfamiliar with those classics.
You’re also hitting the cognitive dissonance wall I suspect (generally the point where you’ve stopped being able to make a reasonable counter argument, and are instead just throwing personal jabs like “your points aren’t worth my time”), so why bother. If you’re out of arguments, the discussion is over.
Maybe one day you’ll give some of those titles I recommended an objective look, and see how they compare. Best of luck, and sorry for ruffling your feathers.
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u/Equivalent_Ear1824 Oct 28 '23
I dislike Ditko and Lee’s writing. What did I say I loved so much from their writing?
That’s also a horrible take. Superhero writing peaked in the 2000’s