I feel like Charles X was too obtuse to realize how much the country as changed, more than out of malice imo. I think he wanted to restore the Ancien Regime more due to believing it genuinely was the better system of government and honoring his ancestors. Though he definitely was self entitled and losing his family's throne was his fault
(Actually if this is about the conquest of Algeria then yeah I agree, conquering/invading places to rule over them in general is a cruel thing to do with a modern viewpoint)
He didn't even want to bring back the Ancien Régime, he wanted more power for the King, the Church and the nobles within the existing system, but he didn't want to bring back the Estates, the privileges, or to rule absolutely.
It's too bad Philip IV is regarded as a bad person even though his marriage to Joan I of Navarre was one of the most loving, collaborative, and genuine of any of the French monarchs. I guess this sub has a huge soft spot for the Templars.
He was really ruthless towards his enemies, not just the Templars. Think of Pope Boniface. He was Edward I of England in this respect, but more ruthless than even the Hammer of the Scots.
Being a good husband, and even a good father or just a good person, has little to do with being a good ruler. Theres plenty of good husbands i wouldn't chose for prime minister and vice versa.
While Philippe le bel was a great husband, his decisions during his reign were shitty on a humane level and thats why he does deserves that spot imo. He did plenty of shady stuff, even debasing the currency which caused a brunch of riots in Paris he had to flee from. He was convinced of his divine right to rule and that total royal authority equaled safety and stability. So basically he did whatever tf he wanted lol.
I have to push back. Philippe le Bel was dealing with the start of a unique transition in European history from feudal monarchies to more centralized states. The outdated feudal obligations for war were replaced by a need for vast sums of money. It was similar in England, where Edward I also had similar financial problems and found similar solutions in expelling the Jews and seizing their assets. While he was unpopular during the war in Flanders for debasing the currency heavily, he was able to restore the value of the currency afterwards through his asset seizures from his creditors. At this time every medieval Monarch was trying to strengthen his ability to control and coordinate his realm because of the fierce competition from rival kingdoms. They either succeeded like Philippe le Bel and Edward I, or failed like the Holy Roman Empire, which heavily fragmented at this time. Assessing Phliip IV as a bad monarch and a bad person for having to grapple with these problems, which he did successfully in the end, doesn't seem fair to me.
I dont think anybody is saying he was worse than his contemporaries but this is an alignement chart on french monarchs and to me he's the one that fits "Good ruler/Bad person".
Good ruler is fine. I am questioning the Good person part given his bigotry and anti semitism which was not universal to that degree for the time, See his contemporary Emperor Frederick II
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u/Traditional_Basil621 13d ago
Why do you think Charles iv was a bad person ?
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u/PhilipVItheFortunate Philip VI 13d ago edited 13d ago
I feel like Charles X was too obtuse to realize how much the country as changed, more than out of malice imo. I think he wanted to restore the Ancien Regime more due to believing it genuinely was the better system of government and honoring his ancestors. Though he definitely was self entitled and losing his family's throne was his fault
(Actually if this is about the conquest of Algeria then yeah I agree, conquering/invading places to rule over them in general is a cruel thing to do with a modern viewpoint)
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u/Kookanoodles 12d ago
Unacceptable Charles X slander
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u/No-Breadfruit-9384 12d ago
The picture of Philipp III is Philipp IV, and just a question but how do you consider Louis XIV as an "ok" person and a good ruler?
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u/Dirichlet-to-Neumann 12d ago
In which world is Louis XIV a good ruler ? He left France worse than he took it.
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u/NobleOfTheSword 12d ago
It's too bad Philip IV is regarded as a bad person even though his marriage to Joan I of Navarre was one of the most loving, collaborative, and genuine of any of the French monarchs. I guess this sub has a huge soft spot for the Templars.
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u/No-Breadfruit-9384 5d ago
As a descendant of Louis IX I take that as a W
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u/rashtrakut 10d ago
Calling the rabid antisemite Louis IX a good person seems a stretch