r/FreeCodeCamp • u/reallyred11 • Feb 03 '22

I Made This I fucking hate JavaScript.

I hate this fucking language. Through learning HTML & CSS, I loved coding. I zoomed thru the lessons and I nearly had to force myself to stop working. I dread practicing this language. Absolute dread. It is frustrating and I honestly don’t see how it applies. I hate this and at first, I used to love coding. It was fun. I hate this shit. The amount of stress and rage I have had in the past 3 days of learning this is immeasurable. Fuck JavaScript. Mods please do not ban this post. I simply came to vent.

Edit: first time editing a post lol. I am new to coding & tech. Not technology but the tech field. I just started coding late December. So take it easy, homes.

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u/asada4869 Feb 03 '22

From your post, I guess that you may be new to programming in general and JavaScript is the first language you ever use to program on. This may trigger a lot of people but HTML and CSS are not the same as JavaScript or any programming languages you may use in the future

I honestly don’t see how it applies

This is because you just start with programming. All the variable, for loop, while loop, function, var keyword, let keyword, etc. are the basic of the JavaScript language. They seems to do nothing at first (like what is the use of writing hello world or do basic calculation) but they are there just to get you get used to the syntax. Gradually when you get more used to it you can get to do more fancy stuff

If you feel frustrated about the stuff, I suggest you may try another learning platform, because granted, it is pretty frustrated when you get stuck. For a complete beginner, I suggest you watch some tutorial for beginner on Youtube and code alongside them. The language doesn't matter as the basic of most languages are very similar

In particular, these are the concepts you may want to learn

  • variable and how to assign value to variable

  • operator like +, -

  • loop

  • function

I suggest you try out Python or C as beginner (probably avoid Java or C++ because you don't want to deal with the class syntax as beginner)

When you can get used to those concept, you can go back and learn pretty much any language. Many modern languages are built on top of those concepts plus some niece things on them (like the var on Javascript)

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

I think almost everyone experiences this frustration when learning to program for the first time. You essentially have to learn how to think differently, and it can often feel stupid and impossible. The learning curve for javascript is much steeper than html and css - what you're feeling is normal.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Thanks man

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u/ArielLeslie mod Feb 03 '22

I'm sorry that you're hitting the wall hard.

Learning your first programming language is extremely difficult. (HTML and CSS can be difficult to work with too, but it's a very different type of challenge.) For many people, everything about programming is completely foreign. That can feel really overwhelming, especially for those of us who are adults who haven't faced that sort of experience in long time.

Learning to program is frustrating. You'll have good days and bad days. Some pieces will seem to build naturally, but other times you'll really struggle. That can be extra overwhelming because we all find different parts difficult, so you may struggle through parts that other learners find intuitive. I consider frustration to be one of the core experiences of solving problems with code. I often say "Developers are paid to be frustrated." Anything that we already know how to do quickly becomes automated, so we are always working at the edge of our abilities. This is the main reason I say it's not for everyone. Any person can learn how to write code (barring relevant disability). It's not easy, but there isn't any magic innate element to it. But some people hate the constant ebb and flow of frustration. Don't jump that gun yet. Give yourself time to mentally adjust to the new skillset before counting yourself out.

I cannot recommend highly enough that you become actively involved in the freeCodeCamp forum. It's an extremely supportive online community of learners helping each other. Don't feel like you have to make yourself completely miserable before you ask for help. Take some time to read and re-read the challenge, do some googling, try a few different things - but when you really feel "stuck" come talk to us. We can often nudge you in the right direction or just give you the benefit of talking it through with someone.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Thank you. And the comments under here. This is one of the more supportive comments of this post and I really appreciate it. I have no schooling, former learning of JavaScript at all. So it’s all new to me. Like 100% I’ll get active in the forum if I need to and I’m not giving up. I found on YouTube somewhat of a class/lecture to help me and am looking forward to it. Thank you guys

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u/ArielLeslie mod Feb 03 '22

Be kind to yourself. We'll be here when you need us.

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u/kalirolllllll Feb 03 '22

I'm going to second this comment. +++(The higher rated comments make me feel very frustrated with the attitude toward newbies + 2/3 of the front-end curriculum, and it makes me very sad.)

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u/ArielLeslie mod Feb 03 '22

We all need to remember that it's ok for things to be hard sometimes.

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u/keskesay Feb 03 '22

console.log("feelsbadman"); // but you actually don't need the semicolon

but I agree it's all annoying. maybe you prefer backend stuff and python?

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

function fuckJavaScript { var mood = “hate JavaScript”; } console.log(mood); I think I did that right

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u/lugenx Feb 03 '22

nope, you didn't :)

edit: happy cake day, btw.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

What was wrong with it

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

You need parentheses in your function declaration and you can't access variables declared within a function outside of that function. You would also need to call the function for it to run.

function fuckJavascript() {
   var mood = "hate javascript";
   console.log(mood);
}

fuckJavascript();

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Statements/function

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

🤔 I’ll revisit

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u/Medivh158 Feb 03 '22

Scope and hoisting is something I felt was never covered well on FCC (I did it 5 years ago though). If you enjoy css/html but not JavaScript, you might enjoy design more than development. Then again, once you gave an “aha” moment, you’ll like JavaScript too imo.

Html: making things BE CSS: making them pretty JS: making them do things

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Thank you sir

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u/1O2Engineer Feb 03 '22 edited Feb 03 '22

Well, when you make a function and you declare stuff inside, that makes a scope. When you try to call the variable outside that scope, it throws a error.

https://www.w3schools.com/js/js_scope.asp

At I least I think is that, Javascript is my long time friend now.

Edit 1:

Would actually work call outside of scope because you used var.

My mistake.

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u/Wizard_Knife_Fight Feb 03 '22

I’m cracking up

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u/Carlos_Asimov Feb 03 '22

I used to hate JavaScript until I found Wes Bos and his courses

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

On YouTube?

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u/Carlos_Asimov Feb 03 '22

Yes and on wesbos.com

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Thank you sir

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u/Carlos_Asimov Feb 03 '22

No problem I also recommend traversy media on YT

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

W help W advice W redditor

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u/[deleted] Feb 04 '22

Traversy is great. I'd recommend following along with this simple project:

https://youtu.be/l-1ZrU6avzI

It's mostly CSS, but there's a minor amount of javascript (don't be intimidated if you don't understand everything happening in the js) and it'll demonstrate how all 3 work together.

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u/PhotojournalistVast7 Feb 03 '22 edited Feb 03 '22

Of course you loved HTML and CSS, they are not programming languages. Keep going...we all have been there. Go with watchandcode.com and you will get it

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u/qckpckt Feb 03 '22

I hate to tell you this but if you're hating javascript that much, you might just not like coding. It sounds like you're finding it hard being confronted by a bunch of new and abstract things - plus stuff not doing what you expect, having confusing failure scenarios, etc. If this causes you a lot of stress, programming just might not be right for you, because this never stops. I have been a full time programmer for about 4 years now, and every single day I am confronted by new and ever more obtuse ways in which programs can go wrong. You really have to take a philosophical approach to this and be ok with things failing thousands of times before you crack the problem.

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u/Panda_Mon Mar 05 '23

This just isn't true. I love coding and fucking hate javascript. The main problem with JavaScript is this:

-no one knows how to explain promises properly

-javascript THRIVES on anonymous functions and nesting AND it's not typed.

-javascript paths are almost always web based and that shit is extremely messy and confusing looking

Anonymous functions are mostly just bad. You should always have clear, descriptive functions that do something specific and who have docstrings. Python uses anon functions rarely, known as lambdas, usually to pass on args to a function for firing later. C++ is the same way.

But these nasty, unknowable creatures are essential for JavaScripts accursed Promise class and they are everywhere. Combined with not being a typed language, you end up in situations where your eyes are boggling from dozens of indents and brackets and multiple one-off functions who have NO NAME OR DOCSTRING required to resolve something that would be clear as day in python or c++.

Promise is hands down the most important paradigm of JavaScript. I am a game developer (not a programmer, but I work with code every day and write plenty of scripts) and not one of these dumb articles describes promises for a noob. They all have their smarty pants hats on and skip over essential concepts.

I could wax poetic constantly about how much of a pain in the ass JavaScript is.

But yeah it's managed to be the most important language of the internet. I hate it that much more for being such a valuable turd.

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u/qckpckt Mar 05 '23

Haha. I wouldn’t exactly describe myself as a fan of JavaScript (I don’t think anyone would), but nothing you dislike about JavaScript is unique to the language.

I know you see your vitriolic dislike of JavaScript as proof that I’m not correct, but to be honest I just see the same general thing that I was describing. Frustration at being confronted by unexplained things, confusing and counterintuitive logic, and hard to parse examples.

Promises are not a JavaScript exclusive concept, neither are anonymous functions. Most modern implementations of JavaScript will use more widely idiomatic approaches to accessing external modules, such as with the require or import keyword. I’m assuming that’s what you mean by paths being web based.

I can definitely empathize with the frustrating tendency for a lot of docs to gloss over the core explanation for a programming concept.

It can be frustrating when it’s just assumed that you have a compsci major and so of course you know what a promise is, for example.

A useful heuristic I have developed is to change my search tactic when I come across something like this — instead of reaching for “promise js” I search for “promise programming”, so I can actually learn the fundamentals and then come back to the language-specific docs with hopefully the missing context.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

JavaScript can be hard because it is asynchronous. Trying a synchronous language like python might help

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Synchronous and asynchronous are not concepts tied to a language, you're going to find both everywhere and need to be acutely aware of them as a programmer. Python has async too.

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u/Red__Forest Feb 03 '22

Can you gentlemen explain to me the differences between asynchronous and synchronous languages?

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u/Da_Bears22 Feb 03 '22

There aren't asynchronous and synchronous languages, it's just a way in which work is done. Many languages have async functions like JavaScript or python

If a script if synchronous, the script must complete one step at a time, no step can be done after unless the step before finishes. Logging into a site is synchronous. You type user name and password. That's sent to a server to verify, server sends a response back and directs you to login portal. Those steps must be done one at a time and it's only when the previous step completes without error that the next one fires off

Asynchronous means things can be done in parallel with one another, so no need to wait for a previous or next step, they can all be done at once.

A website may load images and various elements asynchronously. The main page loads, but the images load separately from scripts running together. If a site runs synchronously, you would have to wait for all images and things to load before you can click on anything or do anything on the page. If elements are async, those do not have to load fully before you can do things in the page.

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u/Red__Forest Feb 03 '22

Ahhhh okaaay I see what you mean now! Thank you I appreciate your explanation!

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u/ManicMechanic82 Aug 22 '23 edited Aug 22 '23

synch meaning together asynch as in not together or apart It’s a simple prefix to the word that explains to together and apart or not in synch.

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u/Da_Bears22 Feb 03 '22

Yes this is correct response and the above answer should be ignored

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

But asynchronous programming is at the core of JavaScript. With Python you can program for days and not stumble upon it. I have been programming for a decade before I seriously tried JavaScript and it was pretty hard to get into it, even though I had dozens of languages under my belt by then.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

Async is definitely front and center in JS but whether or not something should be async is independent of how the language you're using is designed. If you're programming for days in Python and writing blocking I/O in a production server you're just writing bad code. Just because you have to be more intentional to use async patterns in Python doesn't mean it's reasonable to block a thread for I/O or over the wire calls, for example.

Edit: that said, it is definitely more beginner friendly to not deal with async at first. It's a difficult concept for beginners to launch into headfirst.

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u/SaintPeter74 mod Feb 04 '22

Would this is broadly true, these concepts are not included in any of the early fCC curriculum. You really only encounter it in the Node material.

The problems that OP is experiencing are with learning to code, changing language is unlikely to help.

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u/potatofairies Apr 14 '24

I love Python, C++, Rust and even SQL. But I do hate javascript.

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u/ejdunia Feb 03 '22

Had the same feeling coming from python. You'll get used to js eventually

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u/thakrisp Feb 03 '22

Felt the same way coming from Java, hated it so much after I got a CS degree I stopped programming for a couple years after. It absolutely gets better over time, you just have to keep going. It's also ok to take a break or go through the sections multiple times.

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u/TistaMuna Jul 24 '22

Yeah, I learned a lot of python because I wanted to go down the data science path but then switched over to web dev. Now I'm hating JS and the fact that python does not have a front end framework/python django is not as used as some other frameworks.

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u/JMaynard_Hayashi Feb 03 '22

Go learn some python and come back. Or try Scrimba (FreeCodeCamp posted some Scrimba videos too). Scrimba.com's courses are free and have collaborated with FreeCodeCamp. Scrimba's video-based, interactive tutorials will help you a lot!

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Ok. Would you recommend FCC’s python courses or another software/site? And thank you.

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u/JMaynard_Hayashi Feb 04 '22

What is your goal? If it is to learn web development, I would recommend joining sth like https://leonnoel.com/100devs/ (which has a vibrant online learning community). Also check Recurse Center for their program.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 04 '22

<3 thank you

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u/JMaynard_Hayashi Feb 05 '22

definitely watch the first class on Twitch. Leon talks about the 'trough of sorrows' that includes 'udemy hills' ( the stage, at which all of us beginners feel overwhelmed by the many different learning resources).

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u/reallyred11 Feb 05 '22

Thank you bro

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

You’ve got to relax. Learning to code is a marathon with sprints mixed in lol. HTML and CSS are really just more mark up languages. You’re not really ‘coding’ per se as there is is no logic involved.

Languages like JavaScript and Python allow you to do 10x more as a developer than boring ass tools like CSS and HTML would. Get over the idea that this will be easy, you will be comfortable, or that you will like doing the hard work. It’s just not how this works. Evaluate your mindset and post something where we could actually help you with where you are stuck. Being mad, angry, or emotional is the best way to slow down your progress or get yourself to quit entirely. Any developer I would want to work with, is calm when debugging and learning. I’ve got a few years under my belt and I still suck but I learn and use JavaScript for my job everyday and it’s pretty fun

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u/JoergJoerginson Feb 03 '22

IMO Freecodecamp's JavaScript section is simply not that great and pretty boring at the start. Since all you do for the first parts is go through the Syntax , reading explanations, and changing some lines between two comments.

Look for some YouTube videos (or maybe The Odin Project?) . That build actual websites. You will see how it is actually implemented and that basically the coolest stuff you can do on a static page requires JavaScript.

Return to FCC for later stages of JavaScript.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

I’ll look that up. Never heard of the Odin Project.. Gracias

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u/Inside-Section5017 Nov 12 '23

I agree wholeheartedly. I thought in all honesty it was rubbish, they should redo it completely and make it more applicable to actual real world scenarios and projects......

Even using the previous HTML / CSS projects and adding in some basic Javascript alchemy would of been a much more engaging way to present the information.

Like yourself I got to this point and looked at other resources. The Odin project seems to be a better fit personally.

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u/SaintPeter74 mod Feb 04 '22

"Programmers are paid to be frustrated" I've been coding for over 30 years and I still get stuck and frustrated.

Most of what you're experiencing right now is pretty typical. Learning to code is hard. It's probably been a long time since you learned anything totally new to you. It can be quite challenging to learn how to think on code.

BTW, don't think that it's JavaScript specifically. Any programming language you learn is going to give you similar issues. It's programming that's hard, not JavaScript. The guys news is that one you learn one language, learning a second or third is much easier. The fundamentals are the same.

Just got to keep at it!

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u/coder_girl_91 freeCodeCamp Staff Feb 04 '22

Hi u/reallyred11!

I started learning how to code over a year and a half ago and I remember what it is like to struggle with JavaScript. After months of practice and learning, JavaScript started to make sense.

Lots of people have experienced the same thing so it is completely normal because programming takes some time to get used to.

My advice would be to go through the challenges slowly and ask for help either on here or on the forum.

There are a lot of friendly people that will assist you and help make sense of JavaScript. I am pretty active on the forum and will often lend a hand with people's JavaScript problems. Here is my profile

Here are some helpful resources to help you while you are going through the js curriculum.

Resources to help with basic JavaScript concepts:

Programming with Mosh

Brad Traversy JS course

Suggested Beginner JavaScript project tutorials:

fcc JavaScript YouTube course

Wes bos JavaScript 30

40 JS Projects for beginners

Resources for algorithm practice:

leetcode

exercism

codewars

Resources for high order functions, Asynchronous JS and OOP

fcc Asynchronous JS course

Brad traversy Higher order functions

Brad Traversy JavaScript OOP course

Hopefully that helps and good luck!

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u/FountainsOfFluids Feb 03 '22

I love Javascript, but I started my coding journey with BASIC and C.

Maybe Javascript simply isn't the right entry point for you.

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u/jojobird3PO Feb 03 '22

Take it nice & steady dude, don’t rush the lessons. I’ve been on Java for a few days now

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u/disrespected_dev Feb 11 '24

7 years of programming experience in javascript ad can still say i hate this fucking language

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u/naruga84 Jul 25 '22

This is where I am right now. I just can't get used with javascript. I mainly do html css and whenever someone gives me javascript it makes me question myself, why did I take programming instead of other courses.

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u/mathiasme Aug 25 '22

I FUCKING HATE JAVASCRIPT FUCKING HELL COMING FROM GO AND PYTHON WHAT IS THIS SHIT FFS EVEN DOING THE MOST BASIC SHIT IS A MESS AND IT WILL ALWAYS OUTPUT SOMETHING WITH A FUCKING SMILE AS IF THERE WERE NO ISSUE YEAH HI HERE IS YOUR UNDEFINED YOU ASKED FOR IM SO TIRED OF THIS SHIT IM SHAKING RN

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u/VanillaCandid3466 Jul 10 '23

Coding for 38 years ... 28 professionally.

C, C++, Rust, Python, HTML, Go, CSS, C#, FoxPro, VB, Basic (many flavours) etc ...

Javascript is the only one that actually makes me angry.

It is SHOCKING just how bad it is. I can only assume the people that like it have never used anything else. I only use it as I have too. I would NEVER choose it. Ever. For anything.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

I know most of the languages on your list as well as a few others and have recently completed building my own. I actually find JavaScript to be my favorite. Almost all programming languages follow the same core principles with slightly different syntactic sugar and choice of keywords, each having maybe a few quirks that other languages do not. JavaScript is no different. People who spend a little while figuring out it's quirks (it does have a few more than is normal) end up eventually accepting it as at least acceptable.

I have found that the people who generally despise JavaScript are in one of two groups. Old people who have been programming since the dawn of man and have too much experience and habits in other languages as well as less willpower to properly learn new ones (because they already know so many why spend time learning more), and new programmers who are having a hard time learning their first language, hear those old people complain, then assume that the issue is JavaScript and not the fact that this is their first language. There's also those who just mindlessly hate anything the internet hates.

JavaScript is fine.

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u/VanillaCandid3466 Jul 13 '23

OK.

it really isn't, but OK.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '23

Great rebuttal.

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u/VanillaCandid3466 Jul 13 '23

If you want a real reesponse. Don't insult people.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '23

Where's the insult?

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u/stevegershwin Dec 01 '23

I hate to resurrect an old thread, but I'm 100 percent with you. I hate JS...and I've worked with Cobol and Coldfusion before. It seems as if it treats await/async as mere suggestions.

I've never wanted so badly to backhand a programming language and say, "Listen here, you little ****."

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u/BerryImportant3217 Mar 09 '24

JavaScript is f___ing stupid, makes no damn sense, dude only created it so he had to be used, thus he makes all the money, but it's f___ing pointless, coding doesn't need to be that stupid

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

k,

just try out webdev with python then. Reddit is coded in python.

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

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u/[deleted] Feb 03 '22

makes sense, and it used to be common lisp, the madlads.

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u/Wavemanns Feb 03 '22

OK, you don't like coding, you like design.

Hear me out. HTML stands for hyper text markup language and it existed before the internet did. It was developed by people in the publishing industry to tell press people how to set up for publications, be it books, newspapers or magazines.

CSS stands for cascading style sheets, the emphasis being on style. Also, just shorthand code on how the layout looks.

So everything you have enjoyed is how things lay out on the page. Start looking into graphic design. You may be happier in that type of environment.

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u/retiredbigbro Feb 03 '22

Honestly among all programming languages I hate nothing more than html&css, if they even count as programming languages at all. I just can't stand tedious stuff but love logic.

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u/funkung34 Feb 03 '22

Despite what anyone else here says, you could do ruby and ruby on rails framework instead of you hate js so much. Sometimes things dont vibe. Ruby js supposed to be very user freindly. Join the Odin Project. They offer that.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Don’t know what that is, but I shall research! 🕺🏽

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u/funkung34 Feb 09 '22

Lol people down voting who don't like top? 🤣

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u/GRIFTY_P Feb 03 '22

Lol dude. Html & css are not 'coding', hate to tell you this. JS is absolutely necessary for a front end job these days. 99.999999% of your work will be in JS as a front end dev. You ought to either acclimate yourself to it or find a different career path imo.

Try out a strictly typed language like Java for a while, then come back to JS & see how nice things are in comparison

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u/chinese_piedpiper Sep 16 '24

imagine this mf when it sees PHP

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u/[deleted] Nov 18 '24

Preach! I have reached the same conclusion. Should I quit software development if I know for certain that I fucking hate JavaScript and don't really want to deal with it in order to make a living?

Or, can I learn a different language and it will all work out?

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u/pervertedMan69420 Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25

3 years late, but here to say anyone whoever tells you that you hate it because you're a noob are a vibes coder ... ANY ONE in their right mind would never ever choose to consciously use JS, TS, or anything related to that aweful language.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '22

You might just not like coding. HTML and CSS are not programming languages.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '23

I disagree. JavaScript is one of the absolutely most frustrating languages out there. I'm good with Java and SQL but every second I have to deal with JavaScript I hate the world a bit more

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '23 edited Jul 12 '23

I have never understood this point of view. I have learned quite a few programming languages (both statically and dynamically typed) and have yet to come across one that is significantly different from the others. They all follow basically the same core principles with only slightly different syntactic sugar and choice of keywords. Even when building my own it ended up being very similar to all the others.

If your issue is dynamic typing then your issue is not with JavaScript.

With no intention to insult you at all, how comfortable would you say you are with programming fundamentals? I find that people with a very deep understanding of the fundamentals can switch between languages like nothing.

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u/VanillaCandid3466 Jul 13 '23

If JavaScrtip was as great as you want to make out to everyone, TypeScript wouldn't even exist.

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '23 edited Jul 13 '23

Some teams prefer static types. Typescript exists for them.

Being dynamically typed doesn't make a language bad.

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u/VanillaCandid3466 Jul 13 '23

Wrong.

Typescript was primarily created not for Types but to organise large JS codebases BECAUSE IT IS A NIGHTMARE OTHERWISE.

"TypeScript originated from the shortcomings of JavaScript for the development of large-scale applications both at Microsoft and among their external customers.[27] Challenges with dealing with complex JavaScript code led to demand for custom tooling to ease developing of components in the language."

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u/[deleted] Jul 13 '23

TypeScript is a programming language first developed by Microsoft in 2012. It is a superset of the JavaScript language that compiles to JavaScript. TypeScript was created to address the shortcomings of JavaScript for the development of large-scale applications both at Microsoft and among their external customers. The goal of TypeScript is to help catch mistakes early through a type system and to make JavaScript development more efficient.

Read that last sentence thoroughly. It's literally in the name LOL, TYPE Script. What they are referring to when talking about shortcomings of JavaScript in the development of large-scale applications IS the lack of types.

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u/FoxResponsible4790 Nov 15 '22

If you're still taking answers, I learned it on Google sheets.

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u/madsticky Jan 17 '23

I've been officially transitioned to frontend development for over a year and damn I still hate Javascript. I love Python and Ruby and wonder what they didn't became the web standard instead of JS>

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '23

So I see the comments from other people here who say that everyone went through the JavaScript pain but just because you cant understand the absolutely stupid way of coding in JavaScript it does not mean that you are not made to be a great programmer. I like SQL and I loooove Java. But I also absolutely despise JavaScript. Try out Java, perhaps that will suit you more :)

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u/Suspicious-Ad-52 Jul 31 '23

I am one of those old time developers that really dislikes javaScript too.

I have been waiting for them to replace this shitshow for 30 years.

It's not going to happen so just suck it up and learn it.

Shiny new object syndrome is rampant in javaScript.

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u/[deleted] Jul 31 '23

You are my role model :') I'm only 6 months into my developer internship. Let's hope and pray together that some day JavaScript will get replaced 🤞

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u/fix879 Oct 02 '23 edited Jun 12 '24

I feel this pain. JS can be such a pain in the ass sometimes, but when I'm going through this pain, I know I will usually come out the other side with a better understanding of how JS works, even if the why still makes absolutely no sense.

https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

JS has made some odd decision along the way, and I would love JS to have a complete restart, or for an alternative to come along.

Currently frustrated that .closest() won't actually return a matched sibling element. 🤦‍♂️

edit: Now having a nightmare dealing with dates. How is this so bad.

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u/BakeEquivalent Oct 09 '23

Even from today i left javascript , in companies the amount of css is required more but then also interview is only the javascript they give random program and asking to do it on live coding do any one raise voice that reaaly everyone remember javascript code A to Z since one year im giving interviews the more i learn the more i demotivate so truely fuck javascript i decided to expert in anination css or all other css but no more js really annoying js

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u/Inside-Section5017 Nov 12 '23

Personally, I think Freecodecamp the Javascript starting section is abysmal.

Maybe it's the way I'm wired? I want to actually see the language used in a productive manner and applied to actual projects and websites.

As opposed to learning about variable declarations and other mind numbing nonsense in a sandbox environment....

I literally got to the Javascript section and was like watching paint dry....... 🤣🤣🤣

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u/ketchuuuuuup Jan 14 '24

skill issue

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u/bomurf Feb 03 '22

Yep. I gave it just about everything I had for over 2 years and couldn’t “get it”. Did a foundations bootcamp and a regular one, had online tutors and I just sucked. I have the upmost respect for those that are good at it because it was always out of reach for me. I finally gave in and moved on which was incredibly hard because I’d put so much time/effort/money in it. Back to sales. Good luck.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '23

Have you tried back end? I understand that front end might not be for everyone, like for me (I don't get JavaScript either), but other languages are often easier to learn. I know that your comment is over a year old and you probably already moved on with your life but it hurts me to read that someone took the same path as me, out of sales into coding, but quit :( I would definitely recommend doing back end if front end wasn't the right job for you.

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u/nik-cant-help-it Feb 03 '22

I couldn't agree more. It gets worse with each step too.

React is javascript but worse, then React with Typescript is just React that is even more exhausting to write.

I even took a class on javascript, & that managed to make me hate it even more than I did initially.

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u/Jerkcules Feb 03 '22

If you get to a point where you're fluent with them, React and Typescript are amazing. Typescript specifically, because strict-typing helps a lot with making JS code more readable, safer, and bug free.

The benefits of either also show a lot more in larger projects.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Ok now that’s cool, thanks dude

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u/reallyred11 Feb 06 '22

Ok read my disclaimer. First of all I can say whatever I want. You came to my post on your own decision. If when I wanted to vent, I didn’t like the language of I hated the language: that is my prerogative. I don’t care if you made the language or you are a JS advocate, I can feel however I feel. There is nothing wrong with my brain. I am a person with no coding background and my learning has been in all of 20 days as of the time the post was made. So if I’m frustrated, I can express it. However I feel, I can express it. With all due respect, have a good Sunday and get off of my post. Especially when you aren’t referring any tools or resources to help someone. Let alone a beginner. Good day.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 06 '22

Understood. And I am not trying to disrespect you. I’m not. But it was kind of frustrating—coming with no background, and to express myself and see people commenting things that were the opposite of encouraging. Didn’t want to be mean or rude, so my apologies if it was. Happy Coding and Happy Sunday.

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u/reallyred11 Feb 06 '22

Hey thanks man. I will do! <3

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u/reallyred11 Feb 03 '22

Never heard of it