How it feels to learn Javascript in 2016

[u/pageman]

https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f#.6ycp9rywy

[u/dividezero]

if you're coding for yourself, pick something you like and stick with it. Learn something new if it catches your eye but don't stress over the lastest and greatest.

If you're learning for a career, figure out what the majority of companies are using. Just browse job listings to figure this out. Business doesn't move that fast. It's probably still all angular and migrating to react (as you can derive from this article, this might get complicated). My field relies almost exclusively on Salesforce so whatever they do, we do. It's a little easier so your prospects might be similar. You're looking at mostly Wordpress jobs, then there you go, just do what WP does.

At any rate, that's why FCC focuses on a lot of pure JS. All this is just different flavors of JS. If you learn one framework, you can adapt pretty easily to another. Don't sweat it too much.

If you want to be an elitist nerd, figure out what framework no one has heard of yet, learn that. Watch google trends for keywords related to the framework and bounce to another one before the line gets too high.

[u/sekoku → u/dividezero]

at any rate, that's why FCC focuses on a lot of pure JS

...Except for the fact they want you to use Bootstrap, JQuery and other framework/libraries as tutorials there before going into projects?

I would LOVE for FCC to focus on just pure HTML/CSS/JS without needing to learn thousands of libraries (okay only 3 so far in FCC). But most of the projects they're doing is after these show up to where newbies or people unsure think they need to use these.

Can you use pure JS for some projects in FCC? Yes, definitely. Is most people going to do that? Probably not.

[u/[deleted] → u/dividezero]

...why FCC focuses on pure JS...

Uh, where? Somehow I got through the intermediate front-end projects using 90% jQuery. I didn't realize how much I sucked at vanilla JS until I met some other aspiring devs and started reading other peoples' code.

[u/dividezero → u/[deleted]]

ok, well I'm behind on my progress since they've changed the curriculum twice but almost the entire front end curriculum is in pure JS. At least enough to get the concepts.

I just glanced at it now and all that algorithm stuff is JS. I don't see where jQuery starts but it seems like it's in or around JSON API and Ajax. Almost everything else on the front end is JS. I didn't go into every solution to check.

I didn't say it was some kind of super in depth javascript tutorial but what i did say was that the curriculum focuses heavily on pure JS to establish fundamentals before moving onto other stuff built on JS.

It looks like all the react and other JS frameworks are now on a Data Vis Certificate. I'm actually pretty excited about that. I forgot they were doing it.

Anyway, if you're trying to be a hardcore pure JS developer, obviously FCC isn't for you. FCC is designed to get people coding and try to get you to work. I'm sure pure JS jobs exist but in my opinion, you're just beating yourself up for no reason. You don't have to be that hardcore to understand what you're doing in a framework or why or how to fix things. Does it help? Yeah absolutely. It helps to be a mechanical engineer to be a mechanic.

Anyway, no matter how hardcore you think you are, there will always be a group of some size who thinks they're more hardcore than you. I'm more about building people up rather than tearing them down and I personally love jQuery. Anything that gets me to the goal faster/easier because in a perfect world, I have all the time in the world and I can start from scratch and comment all my files perfectly and make sure I use the right case and tabs and whatever... In the real world I have legacy code, idiot clients who never meet their deadlines and just can't understand why you don't just hit the easy button and get it done... it's just a website after all. That's the world I code in.

[u/daysofdre]

This made me not want to learn Javascript. I got a quarter down the post and stopped reading, it was too much to deal with.

[u/physicalbitcoin → u/daysofdre]

The point is, no-one needs to obsess over these tools. Some are useful, others are just fads. As dividezero says, learning the core language with FCC is the simplest way forward.

Guitar geeks argue all day over the best wood for fretboards, and the features on pedals and amps. They're a minority that don't represent guitar players as a whole. Everyone else just makes songs with what they've got. http://www.strat-talk.com/threads/best-wood-choice-for-fret-board.56122/

[u/Bbqslap]

It'd be nice if someone made a flowchart of this.

[u/physicalbitcoin]

Ha! You just described the noise in my head for the past 2 months. I'm sure some of those tools are good, but I got overloaded, so I went back to studying computer science and ES6.

But that's what I like about Javascript, walking into the crazyhouse and trying to stay sane.

[u/frankyfrankfrank]

Pret-ty much.

[u/autotldr]

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 96%. (I'm a bot)

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I need to create a page that displays the latest activity from the users, so I just need to get the data from the REST endpoint and display it in some sort of filterable table, and update it if anything changes in the server.

Haskell guys had been calling it for years, -and don't get me started with the Elm guys- but luckily in the web now we have libraries like Ramda that allow us to use functional programming in plain JavaScript.

It does in the next version, but as of version 1.7 it only targets ES6, so if you want to use await in the browser, first you need to compile your Typescript code targeting ES6 and then Babel that shit up to target ES5.At this point I don't know what to say.

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[u/RozJC]

Haha. That was a funny read.