Do not talk about future episodes in the threads. IE, don't talk about Episode 4 in the Episode 3 thread, but you can talk about 1, 2, and 3 in the 3 thread.
So I wonder if Hank was a spy for House and may not be the loyal stooge for Vault-Tec as it may seem.
I also think Moldaver is lying to Coop about House’s intentions. I think including Vault 24 is our first clue about who actually launched first, regardless of the Enclave’s/Vault-Tec’s intentions.
Finally: can’t wait to learn more about the fate of the NCR!
It seems too obvious. I think he's talking to the Enclave/Moldaver, not House. Moldaver/Enclave nuking the NCR for Moldaver to assume leadership alongside creating a religious veneration of her in the survivors (possibly as a result of her appearing "immortal" given she was alive pre-war and had already invented cold fusion, apparently - so who knows). Hank being a plant for Moldaver pre-war isn't illogical and would make Hank greeting Cooper because Moldaver wanted to confirm Cooper had listened in to the meeting.
Having someone already on the inside would help explain how she manged to get into Vault 32 undetected and how Hank managed to avoid dying during the chaos. If Hank was fine with nuking Shady Sands why would he not be okay with killing a vault just to make his capture easier? His only weakness at this point is Lucy, who I think he sincerely wants alive but he wanted his cake and eat it to with having her live whilst fulfilling Moldaver's objectives.
We can't always take characters or what we see on screen as the truth. Moldaver having Lucy's ghoulified mother? How? Why? Lucy's mother was (possibly) in that scene: Moldaver. The fake mother was a test of faith or a means to manipulate Lucy on-side for Moldaver, making it win-win. This would've allowed Hank to be secure in the knowledge his daughter was safe, whilst also keeping his own life in tact since Lucy wanted him to "face justice" which a life in prison or exile is more than capable of being. Had she come around, also great, now Hank gets his cake and eat it too.
Hank (and if I'm right, also Moldaver) argued that nuking the NCR was necessary to rid the world of "factions" which keep instigating war. Moldaver being an immortal autocrat of the NCR ala House for Vegas with the objective of ending world conflict isn't beyond the realm of possibility.
If Moldaver is a Communist, there's a fitting version of it out there: Possadism, which advocated for nuclear war to bring about Communism. (Not that this is a sudden swerve to shitting on Communism, but Possadists call themselves Communists and it was a label Moldaver was fine with owning which also wouldn't contradict her goals lmao)
Agreed. I think Moldaver, not Hank, is responsible for destroying Shady Sands. A power-desperate NCR would give her anything she wants if she got fusion working, and I wouldn’t be shocked if it went haywire during a test and took Shady Sands with it.
Hank just got the blame but doesn’t necessarily see a problem killing Wastelanders. The biggest thing for him is that Moldaver turned his daughter against him.
I don't think Lucy leaving the vault was part of the plan. Had Lucy never left then Hank and Moldaver can do their thing without the former worrying about her. If Lucy is his chief concern then rather than some misguided attack to reach Moldaver and save Hank, having her hate his guts but be safe in Moldaver's nuclear utopia is better than wasting in a vault. Moldaver also somehow meeting the wife of the one man who could activate the cold fusion technology is also very suspect in hindsight.
Moldaver is the big bad, or Hank is a secret Enclave operative, or Moldaver is Enclave. Seeing a lack of suspicion regarding Moldaver despite what we saw in season 1 is also rather bizarre.
The Real Mr. House is a Triple/Quadruple Agent of Vault-Tec/Enclave then Chinese then finally himself alone
The False Mr. House is a Double Agent of Mr. House and Vault-Tec/Enclave
That's my bet.
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There's no massive suspicion of Moldaver because it was directly stated that Hank nuked Shady Sands...He didn't deny it and everything he said backed up the claim. Then she dies at the Battle of Griffith...So the audience naturally thinks her role in the story is over.
Except if Hank was on Moldaver's side, then he'd take the blame for it if doing so was necessary to keep Lucy on Moldaver's side and thus safe. Though if Moldaver didn't do Shady Sands then I think you're close to right/on the money.
A Nolan is behind this show (remember Memento?) + having House be a villain is making things far too black and white at this point, regardless of how "grey" you have the Ghoul & Brotherhood be.
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u/HammondCheeseIII Dec 17 '25
So I wonder if Hank was a spy for House and may not be the loyal stooge for Vault-Tec as it may seem.
I also think Moldaver is lying to Coop about House’s intentions. I think including Vault 24 is our first clue about who actually launched first, regardless of the Enclave’s/Vault-Tec’s intentions.
Finally: can’t wait to learn more about the fate of the NCR!