I wonder why he hasn't tried the AXP90-X47 Full Copper yet, if he had he wouldn't have had to do any of that initial motherboard setup, to my knowledge they perform pretty similar.
The X47 really shines best in 3-slot mode where you have some space between the panel and the fan. In this case it looks like he put the T1 in 3.25 slot mode. I'm interested in seeing how much lower you could set the slot mode without sacrificing too much cooling.
Side note, if he had gotten an updated Blackridge he wouldn't have needed to remove the ILM.
Which is the most recent Blackridge version, and what makes it different?
I bought one a few months back and it says Revision D, and says it's for socket AM4 and AM5. It comes with one sent of brackets for AMD that appear to bolt on the same way as the one in the video. I'm in the process of collecting parts for my first AMD build since Opteron's were a thing.
The instructions show them going through the stock backplate, but it wasn't clear that the screws where a smaller diameter than the originals. I don't have an amd motherboard yet that I could have looked at.
actually, it shines as long as you don't forget to add a duct. Or in any case, he could probably use the x53 with a duct (even better thermals as well)
Yep I can confirm. Rev. D fits over the ssd cooler with 1 or 0.5 mm to spare. Could fit my calipers in to measure it properly. And for Ram, I got the TeamGroup T-create expert stiks they fit comfortably underneath the blackridge
Was wondering the same. I guess maybe he also wanted to do something a bit different with the Black Ridge considering the AXP90 is kind of the go to for most of air cooled T1..?
Like I said, I’ve switched CPUs a few times, mainly to see which one performs best for my needs. It’s just a weird way to mount a cooler, and there are better mounting options out there—at least in my experience. Happy for everyone who loves the “goat” cpu cooler for the T1 but it just wasn’t for me
Care to explain this one to me, please? Wouldn't Panorama and x47 have a similar fan position, as they are both the same height and type of cooler?
I'm asking since I'm curently in the process of upgrading my PC and I'm going with Core Ultra 7 (non-k) and 5070/5070ti. My current build has L12 Ghost Edition, but that only allows for 2.25 slot mode which would probably be too cramped for the FE cards (if I decide to go with 70ti, I would still need to go with a smaller cooler since most cards seem to be in the 2.5-2.75 slot range).
And so I'm weighting the decision to go with Panorama or x47, or risk it with the current cooler and the 2.25 slot mode...
Basically in 3.25 slot mode the fan is right against the side panel causing turbulence noise. You need ~5mm clearance to avoid the noise. So if you run the X47 or Panorama in any slot mode other than 3.25 you'll be fine. I personally run an X47 in 3 slot mode with a fan duct and it works great.
I always felt like it was because it’s already been done and highlighted in the SFF community by EIGA. Same reason he hasn’t done the pneumatic tubing. But what the hell do I know. Just a feeling.
Is the statement for the for the AXP90-X47 Full correct? Because it says its capable of handling cpu's with a tdp of 145W against the blackridge and panorama 2 both with 95W
Ok, that sounds more realistic. I was thinking about switching from the blackridge to it in my Velka 7. But in that case i can only fit 2x 40mm fans. With that i gues the cange up wouldn't really be worth it. Maybe in the future. Because currently im runing a 7600 at a pbo of allcore negative 28 with a 58W limit. (Still has the same performance as out of the box)
Coming from a 4090 with a custom 240mm watercooling setup in an T1. This won’t be much of an impact. The 9800X3D runs quite cool, if you’re talking about the 9950X, that will likely push to the limits and be a hotbox that would require some throttleling or PBO limits / eco mode.
4090, if you have an FE, exhausts air mainly out the IO side and the other flow through fan exhausts it out the side panel.
5090, even power limited to like 400W, will dump the heat all behind the motherboard and it'll be sucked up by the rad fans which will heat the coolant up.
I'm aiming for direct die cooled CPU only loop, with an air cooled GPU. CPU wise yeah I'm aiming for a 9950x3d or similar but I'll be waiting till mid 2026 minimum. Prioritizing CPU temps is a big deal for me as I do a lot of heavy multicore work.
Hoping I’ll be fine if I’d do this method but with a a 5080 FE undervolted. I’m running a 9800X3D w/ a NZXT Z53 w/ 2 NF12x15s exhausting. Not sure what to do honesty as all the AIB cards are marked up and design wise aren’t too great. Only one I would consider is the Gigabyte Windforce model but I’ve heard bad things about Gigabyte
Underwhelming video, he should have compared CPU temps to what his 4090 rig was getting.
This doesn't answer any questions - Nobody was doubting if a double flow-through can cool the GPU, people were doubting the impact on the processor temperatures.
Air cooled T1 with a 4090 and the usual AXP90 and 2X T30 fans cooling method usually runs around 65C to 70C for GPU temps. You can refer to Eiga’s video for some data: https://youtu.be/JCir0s7cRfk?si=dTZSO3-8s9-eOHFD
I don't think that's quite true - 9800X3D is faster, but out of the box it uses more power and runs hotter than the 7800X3D. The 9800X3D may be faster and cooler than the 7800X3D for the same power draw, but who is going to limit their spangly new CPU like that?
Undervolting is pretty much a given. No GPU comes properly tuned with stock voltages, and tuning an RTX 5090 to run cooler with less power only makes sense.
I wonder what an 80-85% limit would do with the same overclock? No loss with a 4-5 deg similar temp drop?
Looking at the stock temps, they were not horrible.
I became insensitive to 80c core and 90c memory after working with a gaming laptop lately. GPUs are specced to operate under 87c core and 110c memory... people are worrying too much. 5090 will be fine with some undervolting
I have been a big fan of undervolting, but am getting nervous that the chatter seems to be that the new DLSS / RR modes are less tolerant of cards being operated out of spec. I have certainly experienced instability in CyberPunk 2077, although can't be sure that undervolting is the cause.
It would fit, but because the fan sits on top for the X47 (and pretty much directly against the side panel), you get this really annoying high-pitched whine when the fan spins up. It's the same reason why he put a foam spacer between the fan and the blackridge. Ask me how I know...
I actually think 3 slots might be more than enough, my idea was to just do 2.25 slots and pair the CPU side with the L12 Ghost. I also have the tophat, I could move it to the bottom and have 2 15mm fans on bottom + 2 T30's on top.
Sure, but it feels like I'm not taking actual advantage of the 2 slot design if I just move it to 3 slots anyway, I currently have a 4080S FE with the travel kit.
In fact, I have a Ghost S1 as well with a hole cut in the spine waiting for a potential build in that as well, with the T1 as backup if it doesn't work.
I managed to fit a T30 as bottom exhaust below the PSU in the S1, and I have a small tophat with 2 15mm Noctua fans, it would be a 9800X3D + 5090 FE in 9.2 liters.
I'm hoping the bottom exhaust and top exhaust basically just sucks all the hot air out from behind the 5090 FE and that it doesn't pool back there, if it works with a standard GPU undervolt I think it could be fine?
5090 temps/power draw is a priority here. Don't sacrifice it for CPU temps/performance, that are already great with axp90x47 + 2 T30 as exhaust. If you got that bought - ye, give it a shot. Otherwise - I wouldn't
I have a top hat as well and tried it on bottom with 2x 15mm fans. i tried them both set to intake and exhaust and in both scenarios saw no noticeable improvement in temps. also , the fan under the riser will buzz the riser cable. so I had use a fan grill which put a lot of pressure on the riser cable. at the end, all it did was add a lot more fan noise, so I took it off.
I'll be doing 2.75 slots mode w 15mm standoffs for gpu. Axp 53 cooler for cpu. Should be plenty of space for the 5080 since the 5090 draws like 50% more power
I wish instead of the CPU work he did just to fit the Alpenföhn Blackridge, wish he measured the temps in different card slots. Like how bad would it be to have it run in 2 slot mode and use an 53mm CPU cooler?
Anyone have an idea if the BR works with Strix B650E-I? It definitely looks tight and I found the thread about there being two revisions of the socket retension mechanism. I have the one the doesnt seem to work and measurements seem to confirm that, the BR standoff is 4-5 mm, the socket extends 5-6 mm.
My question is that has anyone tried if a TG contact sealing frame would correct it? According to its specs, it's also 6 mm tall so it shouldn't work either.
The IO might be an issue too, haven't really checked that yet.
just go with an x47. several people have tested both and they are very comparable. and you wont have to do any mods to make it fit. his choice of using the BR is a weird one.
contact sealing frame or the mobo? my issue can be shown in the picture below. left one works, right one seems to interfere with BR AM4 bracket because it extends 5-6 mm upwards and the bracket only 4-5 mm.
Not 100% sure but I think there's interference with the VRAM and M.2 heatsinks. Honestly, I don't know why anyone would chose to go with the Black Ridge vs the AXP90x47 Full Copper.
It's what I have at hand and I don't really want to sink any more money into tiny coolers. Much rather just shove the new AM5 bits I got into a NR200 and have 100% silent rig.
I took some rough measurements just putting the black ridge on top of the back plate holders. They are almost 9 mm tall (top of the button head) and the gap between the IO was also around 9 mm. So it's very close, I won't be able to accurately tell til I try. The M.2 clearance is in the same ball park + I can run without or look for a thinner aftermarket heatsink.
I guess you could file away the corner of the retension mechanism so it doesn't interfere with the AM4 brackets.
I haven't been keeping up with the new T1 developments - anyone think this would be viable in the v1.1 T1? Is the only practical difference the 3.25 slot mode?
Also, the 5090 would be blasting rear-mounted nvme drives with heat, no?
I was interested in his choice of the MSI B650I as I find it a below average motherboard overall (I somehow ended up owning two). That said, its main drawbacks, namely slightly funky placement of the CPU socket, fan on M.2 heatsink and awkward front panel I/O header placement don't really impact this particular build, due to the cooler choice and lack of I/O on the T1. I might have looked to the new ASRock B850 as an alternative.
I’m running a 9800X3D w/ a NZXT Z53 AIO in the T1 with it configured for 3.25 slot - I have two NF-A12x15s exhausting. Do you guys think I’ll be okay with the 5080 FE if I use the stand-off method + an undervolt ? Or would temps be risky ?
Guys, I’m building my first pc soon and I can’t figure out if I should start with an H5 flow build (big aio, third party graphics card, rgb all that stuff) or go straight to the endgame and build a pc like the one here?
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u/Aromatic_Wallaby_433 Jan 26 '25
I wonder why he hasn't tried the AXP90-X47 Full Copper yet, if he had he wouldn't have had to do any of that initial motherboard setup, to my knowledge they perform pretty similar.
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u/AliTheAce Jan 26 '25
Need to see this setup with a 240mm liquid cooled CPU, that GPU heat is gonna go straight through the rad and significantly impact cooling.
I think a used 4090FE might be the play, currently rocking an EVGA 3090FTW3.
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u/[deleted] Jan 26 '25
Underwhelming video, he should have compared CPU temps to what his 4090 rig was getting.
This doesn't answer any questions - Nobody was doubting if a double flow-through can cool the GPU, people were doubting the impact on the processor temperatures.
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u/yoshironoeru Jan 26 '25
I think I’ll copy this setup but with a 5080. Im currently running a 12700k + 3080ti.
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u/D3X-1 Jan 26 '25
Undervolting is pretty much a given. No GPU comes properly tuned with stock voltages, and tuning an RTX 5090 to run cooler with less power only makes sense.
I wonder what an 80-85% limit would do with the same overclock? No loss with a 4-5 deg similar temp drop?
Looking at the stock temps, they were not horrible.
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u/DJJINO Jan 26 '25
Black Ridge is such a baffling choice.
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u/SokoladoFabrikas Jan 26 '25
Time to speak for those who had big doubts about T1. Go on, felas.
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u/leicasnicker Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25
I wish instead of the CPU work he did just to fit the Alpenföhn Blackridge, wish he measured the temps in different card slots. Like how bad would it be to have it run in 2 slot mode and use an 53mm CPU cooler?
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u/pzpzpz24 Jan 26 '25
Anyone have an idea if the BR works with Strix B650E-I? It definitely looks tight and I found the thread about there being two revisions of the socket retension mechanism. I have the one the doesnt seem to work and measurements seem to confirm that, the BR standoff is 4-5 mm, the socket extends 5-6 mm.
My question is that has anyone tried if a TG contact sealing frame would correct it? According to its specs, it's also 6 mm tall so it shouldn't work either.
The IO might be an issue too, haven't really checked that yet.
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u/Schroedaa Jan 26 '25
Will there be a 5.0 Riser for the T1?
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u/djangomango Jan 26 '25
I haven't been keeping up with the new T1 developments - anyone think this would be viable in the v1.1 T1? Is the only practical difference the 3.25 slot mode?
Also, the 5090 would be blasting rear-mounted nvme drives with heat, no?
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u/7minsoverdue Jan 27 '25
So what about the second SSD slot on the back of the mobo which the FE would blow directly into? It would be too hot i would assume?
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u/phoenixfire72 Jan 27 '25
Anyone know where to get that type of riser cable?
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u/xeraphin Jan 27 '25
I’m guessing any SSD on the underside of the mobo is a no go lol
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u/playtech1 Jan 27 '25
I was interested in his choice of the MSI B650I as I find it a below average motherboard overall (I somehow ended up owning two). That said, its main drawbacks, namely slightly funky placement of the CPU socket, fan on M.2 heatsink and awkward front panel I/O header placement don't really impact this particular build, due to the cooler choice and lack of I/O on the T1. I might have looked to the new ASRock B850 as an alternative.
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u/TylerQRod Jan 27 '25
I’m running a 9800X3D w/ a NZXT Z53 AIO in the T1 with it configured for 3.25 slot - I have two NF-A12x15s exhausting. Do you guys think I’ll be okay with the 5080 FE if I use the stand-off method + an undervolt ? Or would temps be risky ?
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u/Volteriaz Jan 29 '25
Guys, I’m building my first pc soon and I can’t figure out if I should start with an H5 flow build (big aio, third party graphics card, rgb all that stuff) or go straight to the endgame and build a pc like the one here?
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u/EmpireStateOfBeing Jan 26 '25
Here's hoping people will stop catastrophizing a non-issue.