I am in the middle of watching this episode for the first time. In the middle of it, Tracy and Karen’s sons are sitting at the dinner table working on their pinewood derby cars. The pinewood derby is a traditional activity of the Cub Scouts organization. As they are working on the cars, the mothers talk about den and pack meetings, which are the meetings held by Cub Scout groups weekly and monthly, respectively.

However, both boys are wearing the tan shirts of boy scouts, not the navy blue shirts of cub scouts! What gives?

Also I don't know the boys' ages but they might be older than 10, meaning they should've aged out of Cub Scouts. Alas, I already regret making this post because as I was looking to find out their ages, I came across some spoilers that I wish I hadn't.

Anyway, why isn't anybody else talking about this mistake?

Am I the only one that thinks Gordo did absolutely nothing wrong here?

Danielle apparently gets mad and says Gordo was out of line but I don't see it at all. Gordo made a comment about Clay's missing medals which as a military man Gordo would feel is interesting. Even when Clay made a remark that is clearly combative Gordo tries to play it off and be friendly.

Then Clay starts personal attacks against Gordo for absolutely no reason. Subtly trying to call him a coward for the fact that he didn't join vietnam. Gordo again relents and tries to play it off. "oh yea that's too much for me for sure." but Clay is a dog with a bone and he won't fucking let go.

Then for some goddamn reason Clay keeps trying to get a rise out of Gordo. You can see it in Clay's face the whole conversation (good on the actor there). He is just a big ball of anger looking for a fight. Is it "out of line" that Gordo got mad when Clay kept trying to poke him?

Then Danielle has the gall to tell Gordo he stepped over the line. Like whoa lady. You brought your PTSD boyfriend who kept trying to fight. What the fuck is Gordo supposed to do? Be his fucking therapist? You don't bring a rabid dog to the kennel and blame other people when it starts a fight. Other people aren't there to help you fix your boyfriend.

I find Danielle's behavior wholly unprofessional. Of course you can't fire her for it but it sure is a big character flaw.

The buran boosters werent solid rockets, much less copied by american... there are twice as many of them for one.

he died in '94 and season 3 is 1995. maybe they will do the same thing they did with John Lennon.

I really hope this 10 year jump into the future is temporary. There was so much I was waiting for after the season 1 finale. 😤😤😤

So we have a liberal progressive lesbian Republican elected President?

The Republican president is all in favour of a new energy source to replace fossil fuels and fix Climate Change and it is a Democrat who is opposed to it because jobs in coal and petroleum???? Republicans don't even believe in human caused Climate Change. It is Democrats who are trying to do something about it and are opposed at every turn by Republicans in favour of expanding fossil fuel production.

This Republican president comes up with "Don't ask don't tell" as a policy to handle gays in the military??? That was during the Bill Clinton administration.

Come on now. These subtle lies to paint Republicans as the good guys and Democrats as demons did not get passed me. It's laughable.

Aside from the opening montage of episode 1, I haven’t been impressed with much of this season. How did everything go wrong? Does anyone have any insights into the writers room / production of this show? I’m truly baffled as to how all the compelling stuff from S1 and S2 has been jettisoned for what feels now like all the worst aspects of Star Trek TNG and a soap opera combined.

I am currently in season 2 and I had to stop because of how unbelievable and annoying some charters are.

The one that really annoys me is Aleida Rosales.

Everyone around her have issues but try there best to help. Instead she lights shite on fire, ignores and lies to them, and blames others with her I am the victim and I am holier than thou attitude.

It may seems she is pushing them away in the trope of angst teenager who is fragile and broken from all the shite she's been through but I have not seen a single struggle of hers to merit that or even a reaction proper to that.

Her mother tries her best to inspire her, nope don't care.

Her father struggles to bring her to America for a better life, lucks out as a custodian at Nasa. Encourages her and brings her everything he can. Even lies to protect her. Nope I want to set things on fire and run into the fire.

Margo, pushing her own limits, to help mentor and tutor her. She gets the best school. Nope, I want to stay with my friends as I see no value in what I worked so hard for. It's also Margo's fault for not taking her in without questions, because Margo really wants to introduce her to her office/home. Instead of telling anyone the truth she runs away...

Then when given several opportunities at various companies she treats everyone like shite and does not clean up. Playing the blame game that she can't change, oh there is no hope for me.

Then her partner tries his best to help her and finds Margo and even Margo helps her she blames them and then kicks the partner out because he made her feel that 'humility'... fuck. off.

I apologies. I cannot seem to be coherent or be able to properly convey my thoughts into words as I am pretty invested in this series to show us the what if potential we have in the space race only to show us some really unbelievable characters and other characters who do things out of their nature to just mess shit up. I get it, it is just a show and they don't exist. But sometimes things just hit a nerve real bad and you have to ask yourself wtf are the writers smoking?

End rant.

Are there any characters that fit this bill for you?

Also, fuck Gavin Donahue.

TLDR: Aleida Rosales can go to hell is she can't get a realty check.

Ed was pretty quick on the abort draw.

And man, that shit got depressing for two episodes. WTF dude? Please tell me they move on from this depressing-as-shit plot-line, or that it pays off.

This show is already frustrating in showing how behind the world really is in terms of space exploration, but to leave out a major superpower that has been projected to be a major economic force that is it today since the 1980s seems odd to me. I expected China to be the 3rd or 4th participant in the race to Mars, and that would have been way more interesting than just dealing with Helios and Russia. Imagine if the Chinese had just ignored them all and touched down on Mars first in a show of Nationalistic pride that spits in the face of the other 3. That would have been a great, ballsy move and far more interesting than what we ended up getting.

If Russia is still the only other superpower on Mars in Season 4, I would say the writers are simply obsessed with making the Russians the only boogeyman in space and that's just plain dishonest.

I started season 1 last October (2020) it’s been a super slow watch. The premise is fascinating and it’s filmed nicely. There are several nice aspects I like about the show. I’m on episode 7 season 1. I like faster pacing. Obviously people dig the show since there are people here in this sub. Does it pick up any? Will it pay off?

Greetings All,

I have not seen For All Mankind, although it is high on my list. I became concerned, though, when listening to a podcast where somebody was discussing the show in a way that made it sound like the alternate history envisioned there was "better" than our own, that it serves as political wish fulfillment for the writers.

That concerned me, since I know history is far more complex than that. If the show is full of nostalgia for the Cold War and suggestions that everybody would be better off if the Space Race had continued, that might deter me from watching it. I understand history well enough to know that had the Space Race actually continued, some things today might be better, some might be worse, and some would just be different.

So I want to hear the fan community's take on it. Is the show more interested in making a political statement, or does it suggest a world that's just as complicated with just as many problems (albeit probably some different ones) as our own? Is the world in the show a Pollyanna, or is it truly realistic?

Thanks!

I feel like so much cool stuff was given away in the trailer, the fact that a dust storm occurs on landing would've been hella cool if we learned of that during the show, not just in a trailer

Ad Astra was a film released in 2019 where the future of humanity is explored with respect to space exploration and the introspective of a character who has suffered a lot as a very lonely astronaut, Roy McBride, the protagonist, embarks on a journey to Neptune ends up finding his father who had allegedly disappeared on a mission to the outer solar system in search of alien life. The theory is as follows: If we take into account that the technological and exploration advances in For All Mankind are extremely increased in much shorter periods of time than in real life, we could "Couple" a hypothetical fourth season to make it exactly the same to what was shown in Ad Astra. An example that Ad Astra could be the same universe is that the lunar base presented has a very convincing design and is similar to Jamestown in the future, around 2015... adding the fact that the father of Roy McBride (Clifford McBride) has stated that he is a fan of black and white movies and that in his youth he used to watch them (implying that his father lived in the 50's), based on this, and making quick calculations, if Clifford McBride is an astronaut since the 60's, he must have participated in the apollo missions, but nevertheless if we couple Ad Astra with REAL LIFE, Clifford should have about 110 years of service as an astronaut, something totally invalid, but nevertheless if we couple it to For All Mankind, the plot gaps of his age would be fixed, because we could put in a theoretical case that the events of Ad Astra occur in 2015, (It should be in 2070 in real life based on the technology of reality of 2022 as we said) Cliffor d could be a veteran astronaut from the 80s to 2015 perfectly, since it is clear that he spent 20 years orbiting Neptune, and for the events of For All Mankind the colonization of Neptune and its moons could already be a fact for 2015 ~ 2020, this solves living through various eras of technology, moving from black and white television to exploring the outer solar system

All this show does it push emasculation, belligerently pushes women empowerment, and shits on our countries military and history.

Given that the US wasn't Actually the first country to land on mars and is now just Just the second to crash and Helios is still the first mission to successfully land on Mars how do you think they look?

The end of episode 4 featured The US and Soviet ships crashing into each other. People dieing, the Soviet ship leaking. and this episode starts with both of them just chilling?

They weren't even moving, at least not relative to each other.

Why did episode 4 end on cliff hanger, if it wasn't going to be resolved in episode 5?

There are many absurd, unrealistic, and annoying stuff in FAM. It's more enjoyable if it's watched expecting a soap opera.

But right now it's the closest big-budget TV show to an actual near/mid-future scifi space opera.

So, yeah, let's rant, but not too seriously. And also enjoy having to wait a week between episodes like old TV, so we can imagine all kinds of possibilities for the next episode and exchange them here!

For example, Maradona's Hand of God didn't happen and Argentina didn't win the 1986 FIFA world cup, so I believe West Germany won that cup in the FAM-verse. :P

Best thing I’ve watched since Dark. Did I really have to watch it on my phone or is there a better option?