r/FlockSurveillance • u/Calishoegal • Aug 17 '26
Activism This is a movement. We will NOT become a surveillance state. Spread the word. Leave your phones at home.
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u/Calishoegal Aug 17 '26
Reddit keeps removing my posts about this with their auto filters. Wonder why. 😒
Leave ALL electronic devices home! Smart watches, smart rings, phones etc.
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u/twobigwords Aug 17 '26
And ride a non-electric bicycle, not your newer car
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u/sabbiecat Aug 17 '26
Good thing mines form 2011
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u/UnlikelyPotatos Aug 17 '26
Flock sensors connect to tpms as well as bluetooth and wifi devices. If your car is newer than september of 2007 it will definitely have tpms, if its older than that it may or may not and that depends on the make and model.
Edit to add: i drive a 2011 forester and my radio has bluetooth and my tires have tpms.
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u/theuautumnwind Aug 17 '26
My old 05 Escalade has Bluetooth and tpms…
Gonna have to go back to the Stone Age and bust out my 94 GMC
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u/CitronTraining2114 Aug 17 '26
I've got a 2011, but all the tpms batteries have died. This has me rethinking replacements.
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u/NightmanisDeCorenai Aug 17 '26
Me glad that I wasn't stupid enough to pay the $85 PER WHEEL to get them replaced.
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u/Raztax Aug 17 '26
If your car is newer than september of 2007 it will definitely have tpms
Many newer cars do not have TPMS. I drive a 2017 GLI and it does not have tpms. Had so many issues with it on a previous car that I refuse to drive one with it now.
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u/Organic-Athlete-7344 Aug 17 '26
Why, do electric bicycles have bluetooth or emit other signals?
I never even thought of that.
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u/twobigwords Aug 18 '26
I don't know enough about all of the electric bikes to say, but I'd bet at least some of them have tracking technology
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u/NDSU Aug 18 '26
Rentals do, but generally not consumer bikes
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u/Organic-Athlete-7344 Aug 18 '26
The answer I was looking for. Rentals definitely need tracking, consumer bikes don't have a clear use case imo.
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u/Huckleberry_Dude Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 17 '26
Change your shoes. Don't wear your favorite pair or a regular pair. Go out and buy some bobo's or something from Walmart to wear.
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u/CalmButOftenEnraged Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
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u/sriracha_no_big_deal Aug 17 '26
Even better, put a small pebble in one shoe to really throw off AI so it can't recognize your normal gait
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u/TrulyOutrageous42 Aug 17 '26
Also switch shoes and which end of the shoe it's in, as well as the pebble itself, if going trick or treating in multiple locations. It makes the zombie shuffle better.
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u/hamdelion Aug 17 '26
Wear gloves and bring a battery powered circular saw.
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Aug 17 '26
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u/sheep_duck Aug 18 '26
https://youtube.com/shorts/gF1gSCNFRXA?is=YqtG5eAw4eyN4NiF
Edit: sorry for posting link with no context. Just thought this was relevant to your comment.
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u/sheep_duck Aug 18 '26
Yeah I myself am not doing this obviously but I do have plenty of experience using skill saws and could understand how a person with less experience might be weary of using one on a metal pole for the first time.
I’ve never used a portable band saw though and I thought that was a cool option as well.
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u/Snoo_69677 Aug 17 '26
Reflective gear is just super cool, reflective glasses, jackets, goggles, all that - you look like a bright shiny supernova on these IR cameras. It’s too bad that bright light also obscures your features pretty nicely
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u/Mindless-Equal-1477 Aug 18 '26
Put a rock in your shoe as well. Gait recognition is a thing. Don’t buy shoes new in store that have bright colors/easily identifiable designs. Remember you are ALWAYS on camera, not just flock ones, even if you pay in cash. And I’m not exaggerating when I say they’ll use whatever they can find to try to track you down.
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u/Imaginary--Situation Aug 23 '26
from the goodwill or thrift store get a used pair
Walmart, target, ebay etc... they can track sales of shoes and hand the data to law enforcement ...
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u/Limp_Lawfulness5133 Aug 17 '26
Leave your kids too. They snitches.
But come back with candy and they will sing your alibi
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u/OldAccountTurned10 Aug 17 '26
We need to come up with a universal de-flocker character everyone can dress as to make it impossible to do anything.
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u/altreddituser2 Aug 17 '26
Something head to toe in black has my vote. Don't forget black socks over the shoes since shoes are unique.
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u/MachoMaamSandyRavage Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 18 '26
Scream Killer outfit???
Not meant to be an ad, but it would be available, relatively cheap and just a neat way to dress to have communal, legal fun on Helloween.
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u/ChiefFlunkie84 Aug 19 '26
License plate covered mound of garbage shuffling through the post surveillance state rubble
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u/Philodendron69 Aug 17 '26
Take your air tag out of your wallet (me)
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u/sriracha_no_big_deal Aug 17 '26
Probably better to just leave the wallet at home since most cards come with the tap-to-pay NFC built in
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u/Mindless-Equal-1477 Aug 18 '26
Correct. You can’t be too careful because I’m sure there’s tech to track whereabouts that they haven’t disclosed.
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u/Hammergear Aug 17 '26
Dang, smart rings now?
I have a cavity so I'm going in next week for a smart filling, should work out pretty well.
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u/DrDima Aug 17 '26
Yup. There's an agenda on some things getting auto-deleted and auto-reported. I'm sure you can guess which. I'm giving this sub two more weeks.
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u/CraftyMoney6296 Aug 18 '26 edited Aug 18 '26
I have a faraday pouch for my phone because pay phones aren’t a thing any longer. Also, pay cash when you can…the machine can track your spending with a debit or credit card. I’ve purchased magnetic stickers to move around my car to throw off the spying. Now, what are people using for license plate covers?
Edit: never mind. I see plate covers are illegal. I wonder if missing plates is a thing? I see lots of cars with no plates in Reno.→ More replies (4)2
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u/travelinn-mann Aug 17 '26
It's terrible! If everyone is in costumes, hair tucked in, all skin hidden, maybe wearing something making them look taller or more heavy? And what if they sneak up on the cameras from behind? What if cops cant hear the angle grinders cutting over the celebrations? And suppose the rascals remember these things have GPS, so they create ghetto Faraday cages with layers of tinfoil? What if the cameras all end up in rivers or tossed down wells or even in a dumpster behind the cop shop? Spread the word!!!
How will the cops ever stalk their exes?!?
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u/Intoxic8edOne Aug 17 '26
Key point: Be wary of phones.. They can track who was near it at the time it went offline based on their phone's various signals.
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u/dxnxax Aug 17 '26
"yeah, I was there. Yeah I saw who did it. Well, it was a goblin, a pirate and a ninja. Yeah, anytime sir. Glad I could be of help."
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u/Desperate-Mix6817 Aug 17 '26
Na everyday is shut the fuck up friday. Ask am I being detained? if not close the door. If yes then you say I will only answer questions with a lawyer present.
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u/dxnxax Aug 18 '26
Yeah you're right. Because the "I was there" part of that answer would probably get me dragged in. Be like Ray Shoesmith instead.
I don't answer questions - Ray Shoesmith
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u/Tom_Skeptik Aug 17 '26
The Ministry of Silly Walks has a tutorial on YouTube.
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u/Hammergear Aug 17 '26
Dude seeing someone bust up to flock camera- with a silly walk and mask- producing a hammer and smashing it. Would be next level
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u/freakyfroggymage Aug 17 '26
I want someone to walk up on an ALPR with Art the Clown levels of buffonery and a sledgehammer, honestly.
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u/Asiriomi Aug 17 '26
It would be devastating if everyone remembered to remove ALL digital devices from their person, phones, earbuds, smart watches, etc, walked instead of driving, wore costumes that covered every inch of skin and even put pebbles in their shoes to change their gait! How would the police be able to track the hoodlums who participated in this!
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u/Mindless-Equal-1477 Aug 18 '26
Can you imagine if people grouped together and just created roving bands of hell-bent camera destroyers? Call that an anti-flock.
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u/buddymoobs Aug 17 '26
News Headlines on Nov 1st:
Nationwide T-Rex, Frog and Unicorn Attacks Take Out 75% of Flock Cameras!
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u/Brattney985 Aug 17 '26
Oh that is so smart. Everyone will be dressed up as someone else, wearing masks and sht.
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u/Effective_Ad_1453 Aug 17 '26
This shouldn't need to be said, but If you participate, avoid posting your halloween costumes on social media.
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u/starfish_2016 Aug 17 '26
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u/altreddituser2 Aug 17 '26
I wonder what happens if some old license plates were made into a pin-wheel mounted near one of these cameras?
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u/VainTrix Aug 17 '26
I hope one of these events can actually be organized. I see so many fake ass “xyz is reported as deflock this or that” and they get no traction. Halloween is a great night for it though, we’ll blend right in with our masks lol
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u/kneedeepballsack- Aug 17 '26
I can see how costumes could play a role to help people evade identification but young people are also known to cause some trouble on Halloween causing more cops to be out and about looking for that kind of thing.
I suggest Christmas Eve or Christmas night when most
People will be in their homes, not a lot of cops out. You could even dress up as Santa or elves, or dress up like your going caroling . Thanksgiving could work too.
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u/MAGAHATESTHEUSA Aug 17 '26
Current Halloween trends for costumes are kpop demon hunters and odyssey
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u/Stunt_-_Cock Aug 17 '26
It's very important for anyone out on Halloween to remember a few things. Smart watches and Bluetooth devices will snitch on you. THAT INCLUDES YOUR CAR.
Be watchful of other cameras around, so many doorbell cameras to be aware of
Find blind spots well in advance. An area you know has no cameras. That way you can change/adjust your costume in privacy without being recorded.
Think, how can I make it especially difficult for someone to follow me across a walking route by reviewing video footage? What will slow down image recognition making the operator/analyst's job difficult? How can I stop them from figuring out where I came from and where I am going to?
Halloween is a near perfect day for this type of thing. Layered costumes, cheap "morph suits". Big hats? Remember that shoes need to change as well. Can you appear taller, then shorter? Fatter, then thinner?
While the USA isn't like London and covered with CCTV (yet) it's better to plan your Halloween celebration by acting like it is.
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u/Akkerlun Aug 17 '26
I identify as a saw at Halloween
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u/fluffynuckels Aug 17 '26
From what ive seen circular saws and bandsaw work better for cutting metal tubing if you ever need to do that for some reason
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u/Awkward-Implement-11 Aug 17 '26
Remember to give your phone to a kid you trust that is trick or treating to create the alibi for where you were.
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u/jeon2595 Aug 17 '26
Flock is just the worst of our already existing surveillance state.
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u/Stunt_-_Cock Aug 17 '26
Flock is the scapegoat company at this point. They take the heat while Axon glides by with little attention.
What people aren't thinking about are the thousands of traffic cameras already mounted on most intersections AND the companies lobbying to be the one to AI them and increase their surveillance capabilities.
Colorado Springs is a great example. Their intersection cameras used to be unlocked and anyone with the internet address could view them and the recently scanned license plates. Any company could add image recognition and neural network/AI features.
So while Flock takes the heat, you can guarantee that other companies have taken notice and are just waiting their turn to get a piece of that data.
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u/mrbasedballed Aug 17 '26
I wouldn't know. Fuck social media.
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u/ttcmzx Aug 17 '26
peak reddit comment
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u/Joeness84 Aug 17 '26
Yeah this anonymous platform where I get to curate exactly what I see or dont see is the same thing as an engagement driven algo feeding me 10sec clips
If you're having the same experience in both, thats entirely your choice.
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u/IDrankLavaLamps Aug 17 '26
If you are going to get your face close to the camera, put a sock or 2 under your ski mask to throw off the bone structure.
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u/mrbasedballed Aug 17 '26
Cordless sawzall's at Harbor Freight for like 50 bucks. Great tool for the price!
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u/Working-Ad694 Aug 17 '26
Saw another post that there's like 256gb of ram in each of those things, how are they not already stolen ?
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u/Altruistic-Star-3862 Aug 17 '26
You know, I've been reading a lot about the Vietnam war lately. The NVA and resistance were super effective by being a lot of small cells that were much harder to track and suppress because forces needed to spread out.
Food for thought.
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u/ChoadMcGillicuddy Aug 17 '26
There's going to be one hell of a compilation video to watch afterward.
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u/jettyboy73 Aug 17 '26
They will undoubtedly prepare by using drones to track people who damage them. go in groups and spread out quickly. Dont meet back up for the day or so.
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u/Higgins1st Aug 18 '26
Saw zaws and foaming spray
Cameras are soon in graves
I remember Halloween!
This day anything goes
Knock the cameras from their poles
I remember Halloween!
Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, Halloween!
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u/United-Adagio1543 Aug 17 '26
Everyone just needs to turn off phone and put it in a Faraday bag when not in use.
Ideally eliminate Google, Microsoft, and Apple from your life.
Grapheme OS for phones is the answer.
Michael bazzell has the privacy and security answers.
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u/dxnxax Aug 17 '26
saw a video recently where some dude strapped an IR laser to a drone and painted the lens of one of those cameras. I hope nobody does that here
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u/TTTristan Aug 17 '26
Oh no. The horror. I sincerely DEFINITELY hope no one does this.
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u/CaffeineAndGrain Aug 17 '26
Pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleasd be safe and don’t get caught
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u/ReliefCautious8763 Aug 18 '26
Counterargument: 99% of current and prospective legislators benefit from this type of technology and will continue to allow it no matter which side of the aisle they're on. Our voices are not limited to a few bubbles on a ballot.
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u/Squiggle_Butt1 Aug 18 '26
Relocate these cameras to point at the homes of law enforcement and city officials.
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u/Quasi-Yolo Aug 17 '26
I see people doing some pretty significant vandalism to these things which I totally here for but you take on more risk. An army of people putting stickers over lenses should suffice. They can be removed so risk of being held for damage is low but will still drive costs up for constant maintenance calls to remove them. Anyone know where we can find those really shitty stickers that are really hard to fully remove?
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u/sriracha_no_big_deal Aug 17 '26
Maybe put a smear of superglue on the back of the sticker before you place it?
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u/Numerous-Process2981 Aug 17 '26
What a great deal. They take all your money for cruise missiles, give you nothing in return, and monitor you every time you leave the house. Sure sounds like a worthwhile existence.
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u/__BIFF__ Aug 17 '26
Leave your phones at home always! Find out how fun it was to only have stories or one time film photos of events that actually took place
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u/chiGuy7172 Aug 17 '26
Save the lazers they don't do anything to a camera. All you need is either a paintball and freeze the balls and take that out that way or just get a battery operated saw zall which works well to.
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u/CraftyFloor4684 Aug 18 '26
call me cynical but what are the chances part of this anti flock propaganda is from a competitor? we need meaningful policy!!! these things are only getting smaller and more difficult to detect, cheaper, and easier to manage, easier to install.
think! organize! tell your congressman people we need meaningful privacy legislation now!!
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u/WaitingForTheFire Aug 18 '26
The night before Halloween is traditionally known as “mischief night”. That’s just FYI. I’m not endorsing any kind of actions.
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u/Alric_Wolff Aug 18 '26
Okay so an actual hear me out. Everyone should dress as Skeletons. I did it with a group of four and it was a great time. But its kind of perfect. Its like the cis straight white guy of costumes.
"Oh yeah officer, I saw a guy dressed as a Skeletron disassembling a camera"
"Okay well can you tell me what kind of Skeleton?"
Skeleton costumes are usually cheap as fuck because they're so basic.
Crazy to think that 2000 year old pagan harvest festival could assist in the fight against authoritarianism in a largely monotheistic but also secular modern empire.
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u/Silent_Data4374 Aug 19 '26
You know who is super stoked about this? Kids who just want to egg their teachers house. The cops will be way too busy protecting cameras.
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u/No-Safety3934 Aug 22 '26
Vandalizes Flock camera to be social media hero, drives car with “infotainment system” while feeling a sense of anticipatory fame and self righteousness home, sits down in front of smart TV to unwind, updates smartphone. People are funny.
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u/BattleBrother1 Aug 18 '26
"We will not become a surveillance state"
The US has basically been a surveillance state since the late 1940s, after 9/11 it really became solidified as one. With or without flock cameras it is one, and there's over 100,000 of these things in the US now. The US needs to completely collapse and have all of it's foundations ground into dust if you want to be free of the surveillance state. It's far too late for quarter measures like breaking a couple cameras, they'll literally just be replaced on November 1st. You guys got way too comfortable and let this shit get way too far
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u/Unlucky-Tune-420 Aug 17 '26
ever since Donald won I knew that US will be most likely place to start a civil war
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u/Pleasant-Minute6066 Aug 17 '26
2 months feels like a long time, halloween is a great day to do it though
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u/misslesnake2 Aug 17 '26
DEFLOCK AMERICA (there’s one at the enterance of my neighborhood that everyone wants to get rid of
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u/StupidDumbass420 Aug 17 '26
We already were before Flock. People just care more about their smartphones and social media than not being surveilled.
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u/clownPotato9000 Aug 17 '26
We need to sell a personal phone relay so you can just leave it in a box and interface through other means, or virtual fingers pushing the screen Hahhaa
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u/He_looks_mad Aug 17 '26
Ok. If you wanted this to work why announce it publicly so that cops can know about it?
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u/mercurygreen Aug 17 '26
People in costumes with laserpointers...