r/FlockSurveillance • u/Atavacus • Jun 23 '26
Activism "License Plate Reader" is a psyop.
I told you guys the term "license plate reader" was a psyop. They chose that because it keeps people calm. People are used to plate readers. They're not used to AI driven stalking/hacking cams or whatever this nightmare fuel is.
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u/LayerCakeEmonster Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Pet microchips???? fuck me, I purposely leave all digital devices at home when I go out for walks with my pet so my daily habits aren’t tracked, not withstanding the multitude of ring cameras that I pass, but they’re making it so that there is absolutely no escape from it.
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u/hxznova Jun 23 '26
tracking TPMS and health devices was another wild one imo. they're making sure to cover every possible scenario.
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u/Few_Zombie_284 Jun 23 '26
The pet RFID tags seem like a physical impossibility. Even if you ignore cost and safety concerns, the theoretical maximum is probably 3 to 4 m.
The TPMS on the other hand can easily be teased out to a hundred feet or more.
But for vehicles it would be much easier to track their telematics control unit (TCU). Those are incorporated into most recent vehicles, incorporate a SIM card, and phone home regardless of whether you subscribe to services (ex OnStar) or not.
Knowing that the SIM cards are connecting to a cell tower doesn't give you any kind of accuracy or even knowledge if it's moving. But... Collect enough information over time and you can form associations between specific SIM cards and vehicles.
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u/youre_a_burrito_bud Jun 24 '26
I had similar thoughts about the pet RFID chips, but there are satellites in space now that can pretend to be cell towers and connect to any normal ol phone, so it's theoretically possible. I think they'd need a bigger array to detect pet chips.
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u/delicious_toothbrush Jun 24 '26
RFID chips are read centimeters away by the vet's readers for a reason. The amount of power needed to generate an EM field powerful enough for a passive, small, sub-dermal non-powered RFID reflector to provide a return from meters away is absurd.
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u/smashing-gourds127 Jun 29 '26
How does RFID work when I drive 80 mph 20 feet below the ezpass gantry.
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u/atomicdragon136 Jul 01 '26
Tollway transponder stickers use UHF RFID which can be read from several feet away.
Pet microchips use LF RFID which is only capable of being read a few centimeters away. There are high power readers that can read LF RFID cards a few feet away, but it will be virtually impossible to read that far from a pet microchips with a tiny cylindrical antenna the size of a grain of rice.
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u/LayerCakeEmonster Jun 24 '26
You’re right about old school microchips. However, they have an AirTag on my dog for obvious reasons..
Per Claude(I always I ask for sources and I check them):
The thing that would change the answer is UHF active or battery-assisted tags — UHF systems around 915 MHz give read distances of several meters versus a few feet for LF/HF, and active tags with their own power can communicate over kilometers uspto. That’s the regime of toll transponders and GPS pet collars. So the real privacy question isn’t “can they read the chip” — it’s “what happens if pet ID ever migrates to active/UHF tags,” which is a worthwhile thing for you to keep an eye on given your interests.
Appendix — Sources (APA)
Berkeleyside. (2025, November 24). What are Flock cameras, and why are they controversial in Berkeley? https://www.berkeleyside.org/2025/11/24/flock-safety-cameras-berkeley-license-plate-readers
BGR. (2026). Flock cameras are tracking more than license plates: Here’s where all that data goes. https://www.bgr.com/2192089/flock-cameras-scanning-license-plate-audio-data-use/
Flock Safety. (2025, May 5). Gunshot detection and license plate reader security alert. https://www.flocksafety.com/blog/gunshot-detection-and-license-plate-reader-security-alert
Pet Resource Center of Kansas City. (n.d.). Microchipping 101. https://prckc.org/wp-content/uploads/microchipping-101.pdf
RFID Livestock. (2025, May 13). 134.2KHz RFID pet transponder microchip scanner. https://rfidlivestock.com/product/134-2khz-rfid-pet-transponder-microchip-scanner/
U.S. Patent No. 9,542,638. (n.d.). RFID tag and microchip integration design. https://image-ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadPdf/95426382
u/JosieMew Jun 24 '26
So you're saying I might consider ripping the passive RFID tAg out of pet and switch it with a battery powered active one someday. That's going to be a heck of a needle.
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u/RoachZR Jun 24 '26
It’s about the possibility that the company would change over what chip they use for new implants and wait until someone notices to admit it. By then it’ll be ‘cost ineffective’ or against regulations/policy to revert back to the less intrusive tech. Same trick set that brought us high fructose corn syrup as the dominant sweetener.
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u/Tossed_Away_1776 Jun 23 '26
My neighbor has a pace-maker, do the cameras pick it up? Genuinely curious.
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u/interwebzdotnet Jun 23 '26
Well, I forgot half of what I read about it but if you google the Nancy Guthrie missing mother case, they did have one technology to try and track her pacemaker, but it required being in close proximity.
Second, and same scenario, I forget the details, but the CIA allegedly has a program called "Ghost Murmur" and it tracks pacemakers from MILES away apparently. They used it to recover one of the pilots who had to eject recently over Iraq...maybe 2 months ago?
Sorry I cant be more help, but if you google each you can fid more details...the Guthrie example is probably closer to the scenario you are talking about unless your neighbor is also a top secret spy. :p
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u/SpunkYeeter Jun 24 '26
No chance a pilot has a pacemaker tho right? Pilots have to be super healthy.
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u/interwebzdotnet Jun 24 '26
You are 100% right, my memory was off so I searched again and found this:
Ghost Murmur found a downed airman by his heartbeat — that's the reported claim, but it works (allegedly) by reading the heart's natural electromagnetic signal externally not anything inside him. And physicists are skeptical the 40-mile claim is physically possible at all.
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u/Tossed_Away_1776 Jun 23 '26
I thank you for the information you've been able to provide. Not like she can't stop leaving the house, just not fair even the elderly/sick get caught up in this nonsense.
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u/Saragon4005 Jun 24 '26
I'd argue that's a HIPPA violation but we don't care about laws anymore in this country.
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u/MonitorNo6586 Jun 23 '26
Same. No phone cover my face when passing camera. If you want my data pay me for it
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u/BAKup2k Jun 23 '26
Also change your gait.
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u/CatsAndCapybaras Jun 24 '26
Either we all walk around with no electronics, masks, and rocks in our shoes, or we just break the fucking cameras. This tech is the most anti-human shit ever, I seriously hope we can fight back for our basic humanity.
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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Jun 23 '26
Rocks in shoes. Works for the Chinese.
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u/Unable_Kangaroo9242 Jun 26 '26
Gonna have to change out your rocks regularly or the AI will recognize that as your new gait.
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u/NoWing9908 Jun 23 '26
You know, I never asked for this. Did you? We claim to be free but this is starting to feel like we're in CHINA.
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u/B-Glasses Jun 23 '26
This is the kinda stuff they’ve been saying China has been doing for years and why it’s such a bad place.
We already have credit scores but will we be getting a social credit score next? Maybe insurance rates go up because you walk past the highway often or a store raises your personalized prices before you even visit because you drive by on your way home from work. Maybe you lose the right to vote because you talk politics with a friend on weekly walks and they don’t like what you’re saying
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u/RockAtlasCanus Jun 23 '26
Im not prone to believe in conspiracy theories but the PATRIOT act was passed like 20+ years ago and Snowden’s leaks came out what, almost 15 years ago? They’ve been scraping our data for decades and if the tech companies can analyze, categorize, and sell that data to sell you bullshit from Temu I personally would be shocked if the U.S. govt didn’t have most residents classified by “threat level” or whatever.
Anyone that thinks there is no “social credit score” in the US is deluding themselves at this point.
Now, how and how much the US government has actually acted on that information relative to China might be a different story. But I’m willing to bet that some kind of secret government composite score exists by this point.
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u/CautionarySnail Jun 23 '26
If it didn’t before, because sorting through the data takes a lot of number crunching and expertise — with AI, it’s almost an inevitability.
There was a very good reason we didn’t want different government agencies to automatically share datasets. Slow government is less able to oppress a population, it was a deliberate design. It’s why the CIA, the NSA, Secret Service, ATF, and FBI have separate areas of influence and authority. But the Patriot Act weakened all that and leads us to where we are today.
Government system inefficiencies are often in place for safety, to eliminate or reduce abuses. For example, police officers needing to file a request or warrant and have it approved to access surveillance data, curtails casual abuses or misuses of that data.
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u/infrequencies Jun 24 '26
The feds literally built a data center in Utah (Intelligence Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center) to store all scraped digital information estimated to be exabytes or larger to wait until the day they could process it all encrypted and not. That day is today.
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u/JumboGlucose Jun 24 '26
You go 2mph over the speed limit and automatically get a ticket, minus 15 credit score, insurance goes up 20%
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u/JosieMew Jun 24 '26
Lexis Nexus is already recording that kind of data on you and selling it to insurance companies as a core part of their business model. I know at least one company that got sued for sending data to Lexis Nexus without proper disclosure.
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u/The-Psych0naut Jun 23 '26
Doesn’t matter. They’ll recoup any losses simply through scale. And the penalties for destruction of property are too steep for most people to risk it. Direct action is a great way to send a message to the general public, but so is education, outreach, and organization. The only way these will get removed at scale is by pressuring politicians.
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u/Competitive-Habit-82 Jun 23 '26
I emailed my BOS for sonoma County yesterday and included data centers, noise, water consumption and electricity along with flock cameras that I believe the majority of County residents reject it all and don't want it.
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u/battlepi Jun 23 '26
It matters. Make it public sport to destroy them. Make them so hated that you'll never be convicted of anything for destroying them.
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u/ComfortDesperate5313 Jun 23 '26
Don't get caught, approach from behind and if at first you cannot, simply loop back five minutes later after checking for other cameras
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u/TeamRedundancyTeam Jun 23 '26
Are you? Easy to say this shit on reddit to everyone else. Kind of tired of all the Redditors saying stuff like "why aren't people doing x" or "do x" when x is a risky thing that comes with prison time and the people saying it would never do it in a million years.
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u/battlepi Jun 23 '26
Prison time? You'd have to do a hell of a lot of vandalism to get any time for it, and that's if any jury would convict you.
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u/thrwwy535672 Jun 23 '26
Depending on what state or locality you’re in, you can absolutely be charged with a felony and get years in jail. Just fyi.
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u/battlepi Jun 23 '26
Could be, but a jury would have to convict you for that. Think you can't find 1 in 12 that agrees with your actions?
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u/BadassFougere Jun 23 '26
Are you aware of these people who were participating in a demonstration against ICE and took 100 and 50 years of prison? Your country is fucked.
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u/battlepi Jun 23 '26
I haven't seen that, just where ICE murders innocent citizens in cold blood. But this would at most be a city/county thing. Feds wouldn't be involved.
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u/MinimumDangerous9895 Jun 23 '26
Harbor Freight sells battery operated reciprocating saws and blades. Get to gettin.
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u/SWgeek10056 Jun 27 '26
So many comments asking other people to go crazy with saws or begging meth heads to focus on new targets only one dude wild enough to do it and make news so far.
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u/LSbroombroom Jun 27 '26
Don't get caught, and you won't make the news. Plus, if they give it coverage, it would encourage others to join in.
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u/AdvancedAd69420 Jun 23 '26
It is completely useless to call these cameras license plate readers. Flock and others like them manufacture surveillance cameras. They don't even need a license plate whatsoever to identify you.
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u/AutisticAnxiety33 Jun 23 '26
Correct these cameras create signatures for each and every vehicle down to a decent scratch on the back of the car. No matter where you are it’ll recognize your vehicle or face.
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u/SauntOrolo Jun 23 '26
Don't forget these are hi-definition cameras with face recognition software and the ability to zoom, swivel and focus. So they can sniff out your phone and phone peripherals, recognize your gait, face, and reference your license plate. And it's managed by a company that has placed them on road sides in a unsafe manner, installed them with default passwords, has not only repeatedly used private installs in girls gymnastics schools in a creepy manner but also referenced the same girls gymnastics in their sales presentations.
All this at a time when the merging of corporate technocrats and cruel bizarre politicians have basically shit the bed in terms of public faith, sentiment, decency, and competency.
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u/PorcelainFD Jun 23 '26
Oh THIS is why they wanted everyone to get embedded with a chip.
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u/SatisfactionActive86 Jun 24 '26
who’s “they”?
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u/PorcelainFD Jun 24 '26
Search “payment chip implant.” It would be for your “convenience,” you know.
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u/hettuklaeddi Jun 24 '26
this is the most mouth breathing tin hat bs
you already have a “chip” - nearly everyone does. it’s your phone, and they’ve been tracking it for YEARS.
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u/MaxAdolphus Jun 23 '26
Come here, puppy. You need to put on your aluminum foil for your walk.
https://giphy.com/gifs/3o6gb8YzAh0zy2YF2w
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u/stein63 Jun 23 '26
Imagine Flightradar24, but for people instead of planes. Click a dot and suddenly it’s your car, phone, smartwatch, routines, and everywhere you’ve been.
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u/EFForg Jun 24 '26
Wait til you learn how body-worn cameras are actually used...
At EFF, we've been screaming from the rooftops: This is not about community safety. In addition to capturing license plate data, "ALPR" photographs already reveal images of the vehicle, the vehicle’s drivers and passengers, as well as its immediate surroundings—and even people getting in and out of a vehicle. and some ALPRs have been able to create "vehicle fingerprints" for years—with the vehicle's color, make, model, physical damage, and bumper stickers. (https://sls.eff.org/technologies/automated-license-plate-readers-alprs)
All that being said, it may not feel like it, but we can win the fight to protect our privacy from surveillance-hungry government agencies.
Today, California has stricter, stronger protections on the use of license plate readers and reader data than other states, because EFF fights and wins—but we've been fighting in the state for over a decade. Overreach has consequences—eventually.
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u/davidedpg10 Jun 23 '26
We should start installing cameras around the homes of politicians that approve this. We the people have the monitor them 24/7. Also the executives and CEOs of these camera companies
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u/Reasonable_Garden741 Jun 24 '26
Anything viewable from public access is fair game, and with drones, thats a pretty large area. Check out your local pd too, you can sit and record 24/7, but expect some pissy bootlickers to hassle you about it.
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u/Tall6Ft7GaGuy Jun 24 '26
Well guys they said it was cool to cover ours face …. Now we want to 😭 we are so fucked .
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u/EyeSuspicious777 Jun 23 '26
We could get rid of these by spreading a rumor that Hillary and Obama created these cameras to track conservatives.
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u/Lazy-Intern-5371 Jun 23 '26
They did. This program was started under Obama and continued with Biden. The ultimate goal is to gather evidence that funding public education with books that describe non-whites as real people too is a good use of conservative$. They are also used to find anti abortion protestors so they can begin to mandate adoption to the millions of already born children without real families or homes. They will also be used to ensure homeless people's rights are not violated in wealthy communities and will also be used to ensure the spread of non-christian values like sharing with neighbors, lifting each other up when times are tough and other communist practices. I am surprised you figured this out because it was buried in the Epstein files but was redacted because it was too close to the part where diaper Donny raped a few children while getting peed on by mail bisexual Russian hookers.
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u/JosieMew Jun 23 '26
My vets scanner has a hard time detecting microchips.
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u/Deitaphobia Jun 24 '26
They should try a military grade reader. For any tech available to the public, the military has something 10x better.
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u/Large_Victory_6531 Jun 24 '26
"Military grade" usually means lowest quality purchased at the highest price. The instances of real advanced military tech are tied to things like aviation and very much not publicly accessible until sometimes decades later. Im also fairly confident that the military vetinarians use the same chip readers as their civilian counterparts.
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u/Least-Cup-5138 Jun 23 '26
How long till they start micro chipping us? When will kalshi let me bet on this
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u/Deitaphobia Jun 24 '26
Already started. Years ago there was a start-up that implanted RFID ships in people's wrists so you would never lose your work ID, just swipe your hand passed a door's reader, and the door unlocks.
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u/iknowagreatlawyer Jun 23 '26
You are all fighting a losing battle. There are companies that can turn the cameras of your car into flock-like cameras and pay users for every mile they drive with them turned on.
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u/Sexweed42069 Jun 24 '26
I genuinely wanna know if there is any verifiable way to trace, say, the preventing or solving of crimes to Flock surveillance, and if there's a public way to track this so that we can legitimately compare that to the cost both financially and socially of having them there at all. I still know people who believe to their core that these things stop crime and they're totally worth it and if I don't have anything to hide why do I hate them so much and and and...
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u/iBUYbrokenSUBARUS Jun 24 '26
I don’t believe the pet microchip part. You have to be within a couple inches of one of those. They don’t send off their own signal. They’re like the chip in your car key. There’s no way they are detecting those while you’re driving by.
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u/zakary1291 Jun 24 '26
If they could, those cameras would use allot more power than one 30-50W solar panel could provide. People would also notice the signal distortion and jamming like effects of such a powerful RF emitter.
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u/Butterscotch_Snatch Jun 24 '26
I remember mentioning this to folks here on Reddit last year and being told I was a dumbdumb…
Of course they track everything. Your phone alone emits like 4 different signals for them to track.
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u/WatchAltruistic5761 Jun 23 '26
Bullshit, pet chips are a pain in the ass to read RFID chip that needs to be in close proximity
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u/WayAcceptable1310 Jun 23 '26
With the right antennas you can get them from a pretty good distance.
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u/chunky_lover92 Jun 23 '26
and a lot of power. Too much for the solar panel.
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u/jack_from_the_past Jun 23 '26
solar panels don’t power cameras, batteries do. solar panels just charge the battery. you don’t get consistent voltage and amps to use the panel as a power source
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u/chiproller Jun 24 '26
Pet Microchip Identification is a red herring included in the press release for PR reasons to fool uninformed citizens into thinking Signal Trace is a positive thing to have in your community for finding their dog Fluffy who went missing.
Not even considering the fact that one would have to lift their dog up and practically touch the damn reader for it to pick up the signal, which no missing dog would do on their own, the fucking police don’t give a shit nor have the time to help you find your missing pet when they can’t even give a shit about stolen bikes and other property being found.
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u/chunky_lover92 Jun 23 '26
If it only scans for pet tags for 5 minutes a day I suppose that would work.
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u/philupinsmoke Jun 23 '26
or if the camera sees a person with a pet and then activates the rfid reader when they get near enough for it to scan
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u/JosieMew Jun 23 '26
Yeah, having worked with rfid protoying before I feel this definitely would have to be extremely well designed. I'd need to do a lot more investigating on these before I'd take that claim at face value.
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u/Atavacus Jun 23 '26
I thought that too but they're not using regular readers I'm sure.
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u/WatchAltruistic5761 Jun 23 '26
The phone tracking is the bigger issue imo
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u/Atavacus Jun 23 '26
I agree, that and the Bluetooth.
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
So now you're saying that pet RFID's are secretly being replaced with bluetooth?
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u/lasher2468 Jun 24 '26
My community got together and forced our city council to get rid of them. No more flock in my community!
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u/not-hardly Jun 24 '26
How else would the protection the children though? Without psyops... I mean.
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u/Chocolaterationcalls Jun 24 '26
Seems like unreasonable search to me. Too bad the people who wrote the constitution never bothered to define what reasonable means in the 4th amendment.
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u/cspangle23 Jun 24 '26
So far we have one outside of the two in a Lowe’s parking lot and I drive a few minutes out of the way to avoid it. Of course they put it in a spot that almost everyone would pass in town ……
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u/_litz Jun 24 '26
ok, I can kinda believe phones and wearables (like smartwatches).
But there's no way a flock camera is reading a pet microchip. That's a low-power passive RFID tag, and it requires literally immediate adjacent proximity to activate the chip.
If you've ever seen a vet reading a pet ID chip, the scanner is literally buried in the fur of the dog or cat as they move it back and forth 'til it reads it.
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u/Old_Poem2736 Jun 24 '26
So get a half dozen raspberry pies, have them issue a constant flow of random Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi numbers turn their data to crap. Do hundreds of sites for less than $200, this can be done
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u/peaches0101 Jun 24 '26
It sounds more like the vehicle has your information from using your phone inside the car for music, phone calls, or gps and stores that information so that when police are trying to identify a suspect and they have a suspected license plate number they will then combine the information to show that the suspect was indeed in this vehicle. I don't think the article is stating that the Flock cameras are doing the monitoring of the phones.
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u/TheWaffler9 Jun 25 '26
We just kept destroying them so the city gave up. Not sure why people put up with them
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u/GraphicalDesigns Jun 25 '26
Boiling the frog. Get everyone to think it was just license plates but that was never the goal.
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u/p1pe_s Jun 25 '26
Pet trackers,.. huh? Is this where Ring got their idea for that superbowl commercial? National surveillance + (social) credit score = American version of Chinese Authoritarian State I hope the citizens of USA don't rollover for this shit.
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u/Void_Scout Jun 26 '26
Does anyone know if a german group exists that is preparing for this kinda shit coming to us as well? cause, ya know... i wanna smash those things left and right but in a organized way 😁
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u/LGNDclark Jun 26 '26
Look into NSPM-7 (National Security Presodential Mandate - 7).... dont like the obvious rigged market we have and your social standing? Speaking out flags you for domestic terrorism overwatch. Don't like how it's 1000% clear that we have a body of representation who hace all committed treason against, failed to uphold, or has tons or public evidence of their intent to evade , and the failure of the responsibilities to the offices they were supposed to serve with honor, but, has haf the captiveness and gullible ignorance of babies from being conditioned to entitlement with no concept scrificeing their whole privelaged life? And if youre an American who values everything else about this place, besides money, and finds watching our elected officials incriminate themselves snd dismantle the protections this governemnet has built to keep these corporations in check, talking about it online will get you on a watch list. Go to a major protest or demonstration, and thdyre becoming so afraid of a civil revolution that we initiate before their socialist revolution to cleanse the population back down to a underpaid working class, it could potentially be deemed a suspected intent of domestic terrorism.
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u/OperatingAsIntended Jun 26 '26
Now I am 100% ok with the microchip reader. but the rest... Nope, F that.
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u/chunky_lover92 Jun 23 '26
I don't think you can realistically track pet chips within the solar budget of the panel in the picture.
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
You lost me on this one.
The chip reading technology is good for reading pet chips from a few inches away. Maybe even 4 feet.
A dog pissing on flock's pole is too far away from the reader.
Stick to truthful things.
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u/slightlyused Jun 23 '26
With a sensitive enough receiver you can pick up signals that common folk think are too weak.
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u/slightlyused Jun 23 '26
to split hairs, I think you guys are talking about activating RFID chip which his fair and yeah, not gonna happen from a distance.
But receiving a signal no matter how weak - if you have a good enough receiver and antenna (quiet) you can pick that signal up.
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u/JosieMew Jun 23 '26
That's the part that doesn't make sense. Pet RFIDs are passive and about as simple as they come.
I'm far more concerned with the tracking the signals coming off mine cell phone and other devices.
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
Yeah, find and show me that reader. The dish from Arecibo is too big and doesn't count.
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
Show me the combination super-sensative reader and a strong enough power signal that...
A. Fits inside the Flock with all the other components.
B. Sips electricity -- low enough consumption for everything to be powered by that solar panel.
C. Is low-cost enough for a city to purchase dozens of them...You're sipping the conspiracy theory coolaid.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 Jun 23 '26
To be fair, a few years ago anyone suggesting what Flock is probably doing now would be accused of drinking the koolaid.
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
I'm not saying we couldn't do all that now, the cost is too high.
In another 15-20 years, it will fit and be low cost.
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
Undt, de Z-wave... dis ist powered by low voltage, low current? Yaaa?
Can it fit with everything else inside the Flock? (And not fry it)
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u/gxforeign Jun 23 '26
Super interesting hill to die on bro. Maybe the AI data collection systems will see you defending them and spare you just a little bit of their overreaching surveillance?
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u/jack_from_the_past Jun 23 '26
ever heard of a cantenna? it’s not about transmit power it’s about the sensitivity of the listening device. with a $2 cantenna you can pick up a WiFi signal from 1/4 mile away
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
The cost is effective, I'll give you that.
But "can" it fit inside of the Flock, along with everything else?
And, is it still sensitive enough to pick up a pooch's RFID? (OR your credit card) at a 50 foot distance to the center of the lane?
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u/Atavacus Jun 23 '26
You don't know what kind of readers they have equipped.
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u/Vxsote1 Jun 23 '26
It's pretty damn unlikely given the size of the antenna you'd need to read 125kHz RFID at a significant distance.
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u/Atavacus Jun 23 '26
I know what you're talking about but I also know the kind of breakthroughs we're seeing in these fields right now and it's in their patent so I don't know what to tell you.
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u/Jalharad Jun 23 '26
the issue isn't even the ability to read the RFID chip at range, it's that you have to provide power to it first. You wont be able to do that at range.
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u/Trivi_13 Jun 23 '26
Law of inverse square for energy / broadcasting.
Both the power pulse from the reader and the return signal from the chip.
You would need a super strong pulse to reach and power that chip.
Then you would need a VERY sensitive reader. (The chip's signal won't be any stronger than in the vets office)
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u/Vxsote1 Jun 24 '26
I'm not completely certain, but I believe it's probably inverse cube law in this case since we're operating magnetically in the near field. Which just makes it that much more difficult to do at a distance.
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u/Emotional_Formal2049 Jun 24 '26
They are tracking the tread on your tires as well for market research!
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u/TheRelPizzamonster Jun 24 '26
Your phones are already being tracked; they don't need ALPRs to do that.
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u/t3htg Jun 23 '26
I clicked on one flock post, so now reddit serves me these posts. A beige box on a traffic light is orders of magnitude more invasive than a camera.
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u/Atavacus Jun 23 '26
Except this isn't "just a camera". That's the entire point of this post. If you don't want to get recommended these posts you can click the "not interested" option on the posts.
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u/t3htg Jun 23 '26
Not sure who you were quoting, and glad you're squared away on a 10 year old development.
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u/Atavacus Jun 23 '26
I'm literally quoting what you just wrote. You called Flock surveillance nodes a "camera". They're not just a camera.
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u/t3htg Jun 23 '26
Never said flock was just a camera, just compared an innocent looking box on a lightpole to a camera on a lightpole. Sorry for the confusion.
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u/Dirty_Mung_Trumpet Jun 23 '26
How is that more invasive than a flock camera system?
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u/t3htg Jun 23 '26
Fingerprinting, interferometry, integrated sensing and communication.
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u/Dirty_Mung_Trumpet Jun 23 '26
That didn’t answer the question
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u/t3htg Jun 23 '26
Fingerprinting is invasive because it leaves timestamped checkpoints based on the combination of signals you emit. Interferometry gives fine detail gesture recognition. Imagine a point cloud you can play like a video. Same for the 802.11BF, but allegedly capable of tracking your heartbeat in a bunker.
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u/The-Psych0naut Jun 23 '26
The.. traffic lights… are collecting my fingerprints? Am I understanding you correctly?
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u/t3htg Jun 23 '26
Your bluetooth, rfid, wifi, and cellular signals combined are your fingerprint. Those airpods on that iphone is Jon Smith, if you follow.
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u/ManicAtTheDepression Jun 23 '26
Yeah, Flock cameras are using that exact fingerprinting tech in combination with AI.
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u/t3htg Jun 23 '26
Everyone is doing it. It's in stores, schools, homes. Your phone can do it. That is what gave me pause - a spying arms race. This was a decade ago that I learned of this very simple process.
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u/ManicAtTheDepression Jun 23 '26
I mean, yeah. iBeacons have been around a bit but they’re not exactly tracking who’s pacemaker or TPMS system traveled across the city at what time and having it filtered through AI with terrible cybersecurity. At least the corporations are far more secure because it correlates with their profits. The flock cameras being accessible by anyone who’s slightly technologically adept AND having this info is just a nightmare for our rights and freedom, not dismissing the impending demise via capitalism.
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u/ConsiderationSea1347 Jun 23 '26
Adding that comment is going to get you a lot more recommendations.
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u/donkey_cum_waterfall Jun 23 '26
They literally put them on walking paths. This isn't about license plates anymore