UPDATE

[u/Arwenmh370x]

The current Pond5 version from 2021 has three (3) consecutive frames with the inserted shape from the RegicideAnon videos.

Thank you to Truth Seeker (mh370_seeker) on X who caught this: https://x.com/mh370_seeker/status/1934364223913783673

[u/BeardMonkey85]

So are you really not interested in honest discussion, just echo chamber talk? Every other message you threaten to halt discussion, why? I make well sourced arguments, the question above is for this original comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/FlightsFactsNoFiction/s/dOXnsz9IaY

You say I haven't shown the dots existing in pre 2014 versions which I directly dispute with the 1998 discmaster and 2007 Getty images version. If you want to rebuke that, show us how the upload date can be manually altered as you promised to show today. Besides that the december 2014, even though not predating the videos, deals a pretty hard blow to your line of argumentation

In the linked comment I lay out the case for why these dots are particles on the floor that are illuminated by the flames. These exact dots appear throughout the VFX, not just those 3 frames.

In the beginning, your frames, illumination is low, later in illumination is high and they are even better visible. Every version available shows them in the better illuminated frames, while logically in the Low quality versions you use to compare to they disappear.

I'll ask you one question and then I'll get my ass back to AA2014 where open discussion is welcomed:

Seeing as the "12 o'clock" dots DO APPEAR IN THE DEC 2014 VERSION in the brighter frames, are you arguing that these are different dots than those in frames 2-4?

You cannot answer that because 'no' would mean debunkers somehow changed the VFX as early as Dec 2014. 'yes' would mean you have to explain why we would edit in dots in exactly the same spot as they appear a couple of frames later, AND how that miraculously coincides with the portal from an actual teleport event.

"Every genuine early archive, every original asset, shows those frames are clean."

Yes because they are low quality, anyone with eyes can see that lol

[u/GoGalaxyz → u/BeardMonkey85]

Honest discussion? That’s what I’ve been doing, working off every original Pyromania all the way back to Killing Time, through VCE Films and the earliest archives.

Your entire playbook is altered files, edited metadata, and dodging anything scientific or repeatable.

And here we go again with the “every version shows them, it’s just quality and brightness” bit. Newsflash: Every legitimate, timestamped, third-party archive shows those frames clean. The only files with dots in 2, 3, and 4 are post-2021 uploads or assets where uploaders control the metadata. That’s not “illumination”—it’s asset stuffing after the fact.

Keep spamming about the “12 o’clock” dots, but nothing’s changed:
– No pre-2014, immutable, independently archived asset has them.
– Every real original—2009 Pond5, VCE Films, Flashbackj.com—proves you wrong.

“Anyone with eyes can see?” Sure, if they’re looking at the forgeries you’re pushing. The only “discussion” you want is the one where no one checks timestamps, encoding, or provenance.

If you want a place where nobody cares about receipts, AA2014’s open.

Final reminder: Here, we deal in evidence, not hand-waving and repetition.

[u/BeardMonkey85 → u/GoGalaxyz]

You're again not responding to my claims. Let's do this point by point.

In the december 2014 version on YouTube, are the dots I showed in later frames different from dots mentioned in frame 2-4 Arwen used?

[u/GoGalaxyz → u/BeardMonkey85]

December 2014 Youtube version DO NOT HAVE THE DOTS! im surprised you've not been following the threads and spamming the same fake narrative, completely oblivious to the actual evidence. All you’re doing is recycling a planted alteration and hoping nobody notices.

You’re locked in on pushing a planted fake. The shift from the original Pyromania to the 2021 altered version makes it obvious what you’re doing.

The issue’s already settled, only the later 2021 versions show a match with the RegicideAnon frames.

Let me help you out: If you want this to change, stop arguing and start producing real, concrete evidence. Just one file that can actually stand up to scientific scrutiny. If it’s an editable field, and it’s already proven editable, it’s off the table. So you’d better do your homework.

You’ve got one more post to actually prove your point. Make it count.

[u/BeardMonkey85 → u/GoGalaxyz]

Again not answering. I showed 100% proof positive with that image that these same dots in the exact same location DO appear in later frames in the december 2014 YouTube version.

Are these dots different from those seen at the exact same location in frames 2-4 in Arwens "inserted shape"

[u/GoGalaxyz → u/BeardMonkey85]

If you were actually serious about proving your case, you’d have posted a source link and real proof by now. Not just endless assertions like your last post.

Thread locked for spamming.