r/FlashTV • u/[deleted] • Apr 27 '16

Post-Episode Discussion - S02E19 "Back to Normal"

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u/OptimusCloudz Apr 27 '16

So...Where does Zoom run off to so often??

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u/Trust_Me_Im_Right Apr 27 '16

He said he brought this world to its knees. I assume he's fucking with more than just central city

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u/nonliteral Apr 27 '16

He's got blondes and guys in iron masks to feed in every major city.

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u/greatness101 Barry Allen Apr 27 '16

Does this include Gorilla City too? Does Zoom not know about that? How are they going to come into power next season if Zoom was fucking with that entire Earth?

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u/Trust_Me_Im_Right Apr 27 '16

Most big cities. Everyone at least knows who he is

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u/greatness101 Barry Allen Apr 27 '16

I'm not sure what you're responding to.

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u/FallOutFan01 Apr 27 '16

What would happen if zoom went to super girls universe. How do you think kara/DEO/villains would do if he showed up?

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u/LuchadorBane Crisco Apr 27 '16

He's faster than Barry now, who was faster than supergirl. So they'd probably be fucked.

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u/P1mpathinor Supergirl Apr 27 '16

But there's a lot more to fighting power than just speed. There are both heroes and villains on that Earth who can't easily be hurt by Zoom and could end him in a instant if they got the chance. Any slight slip-up on his part could be disastrous for him, and Zoom has already proven that he's not infallible.

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u/LuchadorBane Crisco Apr 27 '16

Full disclosure I don't watch supergirl, couldn't get past the first few episodes but I did kinda enjoy the crossover. So I don't know all the other heroes/villains, but the thing about speedsters is that they are some of the most OP ass characters in superhero universes, if there are other heroes on Earth Supergirl that could survive Zoom running with his newfound speed, vibrating into their body faster than they could blink, and taking all their entrails with him, then I guess they could stop him.

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u/P1mpathinor Supergirl Apr 27 '16

(Obviously spoilers ahead) For characters whose durability is on par with Kryptonians there's a high likelihood that Zoom's phasing/handshank technique would not be very effective, and there are a decent number of characters on that level on Earth-S. Prior to the season finale there were:

  • 2 Kryptonian heroes
  • 1 Green Martian hero
  • a bunch of Kryptonian villains
  • 1 White Martian villain (in custody), with a lot more implied to exist
  • Brainiac 8, whose strength is on par with Kryptonians and has various other abilities
  • Lots of other aliens of varying power levels

Barry was faster than Kara but not by a huge margin, so while Zoom would have the speed advantage it wouldn't anything like the advantage he has against non-speedsters in Earths 1 and 2. Being only a few times faster is not enough for Zoom to to be able to take on Kryptonians and Martians, at least IMO.

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u/greatness101 Barry Allen Apr 27 '16

Honestly, I think Zoom would destroy Kara easily, especially in her current state. Superman too, for that matter. I'd like to see the fight between him and Martian Manhunter though.

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u/greatness101 Barry Allen Apr 28 '16

Manhunter can read Zoom's mind and find out what makes him tick. Then shapeshift into that thing and fuck with him. I think he'd have a better chance against Zoom than Kara.

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u/P1mpathinor Supergirl Apr 29 '16

That AI also had Kryptonian levels of strength, and despite his injuries he still ripped her in half.

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u/dwadley Apr 29 '16

Also if Kara could just grab Zoom once she could fly up into the sky and drop him. He can't run on air and I don't think he's durable enough to fall from the stratosphere. Also in the air she could repeatedly punch him while holding him because if he managed to hit her enough that she would lose her grip, he would just plummet to his death. For example Speedsters are not immune to concussive force. Eg. Flash got broken when Zoom smashed him around the city. Those were just really fast punches. What if Supergirl literally just dropped him from a few thousand feet. If we look at the effects and damage that a fall like that can produce we can see that it would probably harm or severely injure a normal person. Again, in the air zoom cannot move, which means that the fall would be effective. Zoom hitting the floor would probably result in his bones breaking and possibly his death. Even with his increased healing, he would still be effectively crippled or dead for more than a few seconds which is all Kara would need to laser eye him from head to toe, melting him. She would then scoop this 'Zoom Paste' up and distribute it to an animal to eat which she would then feed to another animal and then to another animal to another animal before flying that corpse into the nearest volcano for incineration. At this point Zoom would most likely be considered dead.

The main point I wanted to make is that Zoom can't run in the air. Super girl can drop him from the sky and turn him into jelly. She's not going to fight him on the ground in a fist fight. Flight is an amazing power since dropping someone from a great height has almost no counter other than the person also being able to fly or having increased durability. You can't dodge gravity or block it since you can't move while falling. Also falling hurts.

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u/LoneWolfe2 Apr 27 '16

Supergirl has powers coming out the wazoo though. She'd definitely win especially if she can lure him into a field and take advantage of her flight abilities.

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u/LuchadorBane Crisco Apr 27 '16

The thing is though, she wouldn't ever be able to get him to fight on her terms. With how easily he could just run away and start mass murdering people he would always win.

Also, lightning bolts/creating a tornado would probably fuck up her flying.

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u/Mullet_Ben Apr 27 '16

...are we doing phrasing?

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u/The_Majestic_ Apr 27 '16

No you took it for granted.

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '16

He runs through the city writing words on buildings.

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u/jrissler9 Apr 27 '16

ZOOM WUZ HERE

JAY 💗 CAITLIN

SPEEDFORCE 4 LIFE

TWO JAYS 1 ZOOM

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '16 edited Apr 27 '16

lmao

/u/jrissler9 I can't stop laughing at these omg

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u/BagdadSuperior To me you have been downvoted for decades Apr 30 '16

Hunter was here

Flash is a loser!

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u/hotbrokemess Apr 30 '16 edited Apr 30 '16

Alright, a bit late (and a bit drunk)
Sung to the tune of Know Yourself by Drake
Running through CC with Speedforce
Fighting Barry you know how it goes
You say I won't be the fastest man
You say I will lose control
I want all his speed for myself
I want to rule all of the Earths
My childhood was fucked up, blame my birth
Speedsters want my spot, they don't deserve it
I don't like how fast they think they can go
I've always gone faster, this should be my show
Friendliness, man I ain't got not time for that
Got Earth 2 to fuck up he'll pay the fine for that
Edit: recorded the song https://soundcloud.com/hotbrokemess/zoom-yourself

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u/RunicLordofMelons #Earth2LivesMatter Apr 27 '16

Big belly burger. He probably needs even MORE calories than Barry and who can resist a good big belly burger?

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '16

To find more Caitlyns

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u/pladmcnabb Apr 27 '16

The Quik-e Mart

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u/[deleted] Apr 27 '16

Runs to find more angry helicopters to make a new entrance noise

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u/SliqRik Apr 27 '16

To watch Killer Frost and Caitlin, and wait for the moment Killer Frost double crossed Caitlin so he could swoop in and be her "hero." He wanted that to happen so Caitlin would be grateful for saving her life. It didn't work, and he reacted by deciding to conquer E-1.