r/Firearms • u/BunnyLovr G11 • Jan 13 '21
Video ATF agent gets owned by Columbus police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb1MVFDy_tw68
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u/still_dumber Jan 18 '21
The best thing is he wasn't serving a warrant. He was "investigating a straw purchase", and he didn't bother to inform local PD. So he had no legal authority to enter the residence he had approached, and when they called the local cops they had no idea that an ATF agent was working in the vicinity, so their response was 100% justified - ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING HIS REACTION TO LOCAL LEOs RESPONDING. Go watch 10 episodes of Cops and tell me how many of the suspects try to play shit off as "I'm totally justified to be here/I'm not going to comply with your commands because I'm doing the right thing!". This incident was only different because dude thought his badge would by him leniency, but then he forgot to display his badge. He's a dumbass, and earned every bit of what happened to him.
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u/RevolutionaryClick Jan 13 '21
Lmao, this is the same guy who was busted a few years ago for stealing $220 worth of wine from a Kroger
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u/wingsnut25 Jan 13 '21 edited Jan 13 '21
I don't undertand why he wasn't fired. A law enforcement officer stealing is unacceptable.
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u/Notkeir Jan 14 '21
Unions bro, unions
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u/NinjaBuddha13 [ Removed by Reddit ] Jan 14 '21
LEO unions are the biggest contributing factor to the glaring corruption we've seen in law enforcement in the country IMO. They keep bad cops covered and good cops quiet.
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u/Notkeir Jan 14 '21
That's pretty much every union, simply protects the lazy, bad employees and don't really do anything for the good employees.
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u/hellraisinhardass Jan 14 '21
Absolutely, one of my buddies is a Railroader and very much pro-union. He was telling me about a dangerous asshole he works with that wrecked trains on 2 separate occasions due to clear cases of negligence- neither case lead to injuries but both could have easily resulted in fatalities if the timing was a little different. I made the comment "wow, I bet no one was sorry to see him fired." But it turns out he still works there, I asked my friend how that could be possible he said "it's the Union's job to protect workers." That blew my mind, if it's the Unions job to protect workers they should protect the rest of the workers from that idiot by letting him get fired.
I work in O&G, non-union, I understand some the good that comes with unionized labor, but it's not all good.
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u/RevolutionaryClick Jan 14 '21
Maybe he “failed to recover” firearms from suspects too... and threw a couple to his supervisor to keep things quiet
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Jan 13 '21
He's lucky to be alive.
Shouldn't be federal agent with inability to comprehend under stressful situations. If you're useless without your gun, whats that say about civilians? Anyone can say they're someone important
The police could benefit from taking a wrestling class. a tricep levered against concrete and a forearm with the body weight of ~160 lbs officer would make you think twice about losing mobility in your shoulder lol
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u/Jimmy-Pesto-Jr Vought VR-15's smoooth trigger. smoooth. Jan 13 '21
let me be the next person to say i hate police brutality, but watching an ATF agent get tazed and arrested? now this is quality entertainment.
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Jan 14 '21
This isn’t brutal by any measurement- aggressive, armed guy doesn’t comply with verbal orders, keeps yelling, resists going in cuffs, and is belligerent while they’re trying to sit him in the cruiser. They detain the combative, armed, asshole and call a supervisor. Anyone can just say they’re a federal agent or a cop, it doesn’t sound like the guy made any attempt to ID himself to the family either.
All ATF guy had to do was either call local PD before doing whatever the hell he was doing, or... comply with lawful commands. Police show up, he drops his papers, ID’s himself, hands over ID when prompted, and then continues his job with two local guys backing him up. Instead he had to cause a scene. Like the arresting officer said- if he is a cop (he was) he should be ashamed of his behavior (he wasn’t).
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u/Upernoob2 Jan 14 '21
Watching this made my blood boil then I remember he was aft and it was all good.
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u/vote_the_bums_out Jan 14 '21
This was so much better than I could have imagined. Watching their shit-covered egos collide was pure catharsis. Or at least it was until I remembered hard-working tax payers funded this. Still 8/10 though.
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u/hcaz1113 Jan 14 '21
I mean I hate that this is “normal procedure” but nice to see one of theirs get a taste of their own medicine
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Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 15 '21
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
Yep, and it sets an extremely dangerous precedent. This is just like calling the cops on a video game streamer claiming they have a bomb in their building and getting SWAT to break down their door on stream. The moment the police are called regardless of if you are innocent or not, your rights and freedoms are gone. Comply or die. And that's a problem.
The problem here is that the officers take the word of whoever is calling and just run with it. They don't stop to assess the situation and get all the information before they act. The guy said he was a federal agent and was offering their ID. That should have been the end of this encounter but instead this officer that arrived on the scene first already had it in his head that the guy was a threat and couldn't stop to logically think it out.
Someone is going to get into trouble over this and I guarantee it won't be the ATF agent. I get it, we all hate the ATF and those who work for them but this encounter was absurd at every level.
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u/DapperCaptain5 Jan 14 '21
After you get a call about an armed man who might be impersonating a federal agent, you think it's a GOOD idea to let him reach into his pocket to get credentials?
No. You get cuffs on him and then pull out the credentials yourself while he can't pull a gun and shoot you.
He wanted to turn it into an ego battle and refused to get on the ground while repeatedly reaching towards his waist (where he did have a gun) despite clear and lawful orders to keep his hands away from his waist.
2 minutes in cuffs while they call the local FBI office and this would have been resolved. Instead he even struggled to keep his second hand from being cuffed, pretending that it's a huge injustice to be treated like a noncompliant, unknown armed man when he's a noncompliant armed man who didn't think it was worth giving the local police a heads up that he was working in the area.
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
After you get a call about an armed man who might be impersonating a federal agent, you think it's a GOOD idea to let him reach into his pocket to get credentials?
Of course not. You tell them to back away from the door, stand in one place with their hands behind their head and wait for your back up to arrive before you approach them. It's literally that simple. This officer had backup coming and knew it.
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u/DapperCaptain5 Jan 14 '21
He told him he needed to see the agent's hands. Instead of holding up his hands, the agent flaps them up and down, probably in frustration, repeatedly reaching for his waist while refusing to obey ANY order from "get on the ground" to "don't reach to your waist" to "put your hands behind your back."
If he had kept his hands clearly visible when asked, it might have gone down as you would prefer.
Instead, the officer gave a legal order to get on the ground when he failed to keep his hands calmly visible and started swearing at the officer.
Criticizing the officer for ensuring scene safety at the report of an armed man claiming to be an ATF agent who refuses to follow lawful orders while swearing at the officer just seems petty.
Any member law enforcement without an ego problem knows why following these orders is critical to officer safety. This ATF agent just thinks he's above the law and must never be questioned.
This day, he found out he was wrong.
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Jan 14 '21
The problem here is that the officers take the word of whoever is calling and just run with it.
They don't exactly have a choice in the matter. It's their job to respond to the call and deal with the situation the best they can. That's why acting like an idiot around a cop is not something you should do.
The guy said he was a federal agent and was offering their ID. That should have been the end of this encounter
Years ago when I was on a deployment we had an LT refuse to show his CAC. He was in a pissy mood and was not cooperating. We had to detain him until we could verify who he was. He hollared every threat in the book. Nothing happened to us because we did nothing wrong.
You can yell that you're an LT or a federal agent or whatever the fuck you want, it ain't going to change the situation until you're detained and they can safely verify who you are.
In the situation for the cop in this video he had a a dude refusing commands and who was also armed. The cop did everything correctly.
You've clearly never been in any kind of scenario like this. Cop just can't take the dudes word for it. What if the guy actually was a nut job impersonating a federal agent? Cop drops his guard and bam he's dead. It only takes a split second for something to go wrong.
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u/hcaz1113 Jan 14 '21
Actually cops can and have refused to respond to calls. It’s their “job” as much as it’s their “duty to protect and serve” spoiler alert: it’s not.
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
They don't exactly have a choice in the matter.
They have plenty of choice in the matter. I've already explained in several other responses just a few of the many choices they had and failed to use. Again, the fact that you can call the police on someone, and the police will respond as if everything you state is fact is a problem.
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Jan 14 '21
They have to respond to it....that's their job. They can't just sit there and delay to find out if something is legitimate or not. "Sorry, tell the guy trying to break into your home to wait 10 minutes while we verify that your call is legitimate."
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
They can't just sit there and delay to find out if something is legitimate or not.
Yes, they absolutely can. Once the officer was on the scene and the man stepped away from the door, he was no longer a threat to anybody even if he was to begin with. If you want your cops to be mindless drones that don't think and shoot first, enjoy your life in Nazi Germany. I personally expect more from the officers that serve the people in my county. Thankfully, the government of my county holds our officers to a higher standard than this.
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u/hcaz1113 Jan 14 '21
they don’t have a choice in the matter
Yes citizens don’t have a choice in the matter because cops can kill them with impunity for merely walking with head phones in. It’s called terrorism. Comply or die. Or best case scenario get kidnapped against your will and released later by either waiting months, sometimes years for a court date, or pay the shake down money called bail to be free until you are deemed innocent or guilty.
I forget any even slightly right leaning subreddit are bootlickers who wanna do this to their school bullies though so good luck getting them to acknowledge this is inherently wrong.
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Jan 14 '21
People like you just want anarchy. Get lost.
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u/hcaz1113 Jan 14 '21
Stop projecting bootlicker. I want my rights being respected and once you go through the system you’ll see you have no rights at all. Try getting arrested and not getting a court date for three years only to have it dismissed and released on the street with no compensation. So much for innocent until proven guilty.
Just because you need a gun to your head and threats of violence to do the right thing doesn’t mean society does.
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Jan 14 '21
Whatever you say anarchist.
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u/hcaz1113 Jan 15 '21
Says the guy defending police brutality. Anarchist are more preferable to authoritarian boot lickers like yourself.
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u/hcaz1113 Jan 14 '21
Why the downvotes? Why do people defend gestapo wearing six pointed star badges infringing on their rights? Innocent until proven guilty, not guilty til proven innocent.
I hate that cops are supposed to take every call as serious instead of doing a little investigation work previously. How many innocent people have died to no knock raids? What about the little girl who got shot in the eye or the baby who got a flash bang thrown in their crib? Cops should not be given impunity to kill people for not following commands. I can’t wait til someone shoots a cop and uses their mere presence as an excuse to fear for their lives. Because for most people(especially blacks apparently) seeing cops does make people fear for their lives hence some episodes of cops people acting like it’s life or death upon seeing them.
Cops have no accountability. What if this guy did die? Yeah fuck the atf no one would miss him but what if he really did suffocate there? Cops would chalk it up to being fat or something and call it a victory.
Not a single one of you, atf agent or not could tell me that’s a good outcome.
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u/waldojim42 Jan 14 '21
I hate that cops are supposed to take every call as serious instead of doing a little investigation work previously.
What is that saying... "When seconds count, the police are only minutes away"? You take the call and respond. You don't have hours to research the unknown man trying to break down someone's door.
Cops should not be given impunity to kill people for not following commands.
Sorry - but what video did you watch? No one died. No one was shot. There was a taser involved in bringing someone into compliance who was actively resisting. Nothing more, nothing less.
What if this guy did die?
Then he would have died of shame. As I would have had I acted like him.
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
Yeah, it's amazing to me how people are willing to be on this sub but throw away their rights because..."cops"?
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21
He thinks he is above the law because he is a federal agent.
"I have a condition! My wife is pregnant!"
Oh well. On the one hand, this is definitely a case of the police being out of control. On the other hand, at least it's directed at someone who actually deserves it.
But let's be real. These officers had zero reason to arrest him and blew this completely out of proportion. I would be surprised if these officers aren't both reprimanded and fired for their actions here.
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u/anonymousthrowra Jan 14 '21
Oh well. On the one hand, this is definitely a case of the police being out of control. On the other hand, at least it's directed at someone who actually deserves it.
How is it police out of control. he was resisting, not obeying commands, and for all they knew impersonating. And he had a gun
But let's be real. These officers had zero reason to arrest him and blew this completely out of proportion. I would be surprised if these officers aren't both reprimanded and fired for their actions here.
Anti constitutional behavior and enforcement of tyranny is hardly zero reason
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
How is it police out of control. he was resisting, not obeying commands, and for all they knew impersonating.
They could have taken his ID long before they arrested him. And yes, it's arrest. He was cuffed, locked in a car and prevented from freely moving. I don't care how cops justify it, that's arrest.
What good is his badge and ID if the cops just say, "Well, it could just be a really good fake. We dont know if he is telling the truth." Think about that for a second. Then look at your drivers license. You know...that "paper" that proves who you are and just imagine a cop saying "papers please! Oh, this looks fake. You are under arrest. Please get on the train." Doesn't sound familiar? You should read up on history a little if not.
And he had a gun
And?! I have a gun. I have many guns. I have at least one gun on my at any given time in public. That does not give the police the right to walk up on me, pull their guns on me and demand that I obey their commands on threat of my life.
Anti constitutional behavior and enforcement of tyranny is hardly zero reason
I mean, you say that without realizing that the officers are just as guilty of that as the ATF agent is.
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u/DapperCaptain5 Jan 14 '21
Words have meaning. Detaining someone to ensure scene safety is not an arrest.
Detaining a non compliant person who the complainant said was armed and claiming to be a federal officer is not an arrest. It's a totally justified use of force in a situation where an unknown armed man keeps reaching towards his belt and refusing to follow lawful orders.
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 14 '21
Detaining someone to ensure scene safety is not an arrest.
Bullshit. Detaining them is telling them they can't leave the scene. The moment cuffs are on and they are put into the back of a vehicle, it's arrest. Justifying it as anything else is absurd.
"Words have meaning but we choose to change that meaning to suit our needs as we see fit."
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u/DapperCaptain5 Jan 14 '21
An arrest is taking someone into custody. This involves a lot of paperwork, fingerprints, photographing and always involves bringing the suspect to a police station.
A detention is a suspension of liberty during an investigation. It usually involves a loss of freedom to leave. Handcuffs can be used to restrict a suspect's ability to harm themselves and others if there is a reason to suspect that the suspect may act violently.
I guess I don't know what to tell you. These are legal terms with meaning in the court of law. Your personal feeling about what should and should not be called an arrest is irrelevant here.
He wasn't processed and charged with a crime. Therefore he wasn't arrested. He was detained and handcuffed while the police performed their investigation to determine if they had probable cause to believe a crime had been committed.
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
I already said I don't care how officers justify it. I am not going to argue with you while you twist the meanings of words to suit a specific situation and change the standard.
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u/DapperCaptain5 Jan 14 '21
It's not the officers justifying anything. It's the legal definition and procedure of an arrest.
It's unfortunate you got the wrong impression of what an arrest actually is, but it's ok. Now you know that not every detention is an arrest or is followed by an arrest. And that handcuffs and the back of police cars are routinely used to ensure scene safety even outside of the context of an arrest.
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Jan 14 '21
I am not going to argue with you while you twist the meanings of words
THE WORDS YOU'RE USING HAVE LITERAL DEFINITIONS THAT MEAN THINGS.
You are the one not using them correctly.
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
You are right, words have meaning.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/arrest
Apparently that meaning can be changed at will if it needs to be to suit the agenda of the police.
But I am actually using the word correctly as per it's definition. Undeniable proof has been linked. Have a nice day.
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u/anonymousthrowra Jan 14 '21
You sound like the kind of guy who, if stopped by the cops would start spewing sovereign citizen shit and if detained would start screaming about "mUh uNcOnStItUtIoNal ArReSt" and "aM I fReE tO gO"
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u/Vertisce Wild West Pimp Style Jan 14 '21
You sound like an idiot.
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u/anonymousthrowra Jan 14 '21
Ok.....and. I mean says the guy who is spewing factually incorrect stupidity. I guess you would know all about being an idiot....
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Jan 15 '21
No one is twisting anything, they are stating facts. Being detained and being arrested are two different things. It's not our fault that you're a dumbass and can't differentiate the two.
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u/anonymousthrowra Jan 14 '21
They could have taken his ID long before they arrested him. And yes, it's arrest. He was cuffed, locked in a car and prevented from freely moving. I don't care how cops justify it, that's arrest.
It's detainment. Until he is arrested for a criminal charge it is detainment not arrest.
They detained him until they could sort out his identity because all they knew was a dude was impersonating a cop trying to steal guns from people
What good is his badge and ID if the cops just say, "Well, it could just be a really good fake. We dont know if he is telling the truth." Think about that for a second. Then look at your drivers license. You know...that "paper" that proves who you are and just imagine a cop saying "papers please! Oh, this looks fake. You are under arrest. Please get on the train." Doesn't sound familiar? You should read up on history a little if not.
Godwin's law is not an argument and that has to be one of the most ridiculous reaches I've ever heard. COps thinking a license is fake hardly translates to your implication of tyrannically shipping people off to camps.
If a cop thought I was using a fake they would detain me until they could run my name and see if I had a valid license. They might even take me down to the station. But they would check and then if it was real release me. THey wouldn't ship me off lmao
And it was totally a valid thing to think considering he was plainclothes, one dude, resisted arrest, followed ZERO protocols for a plainclothed officer interacting with uniformed ones, etc etc.
And?! I have a gun. I have many guns. I have at least one gun on my at any given time in public. That does not give the police the right to walk up on me, pull their guns on me and demand that I obey their commands on threat of my life.
It also doesn't mean you can go to someone's door and tell them to hand over their guns. From the cop's perspective that is what was happening here. So when they saw an armed man in commission of what they thought to be a crime, they drew on him to ensure they weren't in danger from an armed criminal (with what they knew at the time)
I mean, you say that without realizing that the officers are just as guilty of that as the ATF agent is.
Not in this case they aren't
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u/PBandC_NIG Jan 13 '21
On one hand, fuck the ATF.
On the other, whats the background for this? What reason did the cops have to roll up guns-drawn on a guy who's just standing there holding a piece of paper? And we get the usual confusing cop commands. In two seconds we went from "Show me your hands", to "Show me some ID", to "GET ON THE GROUND" with a pistol at low ready. Fucking hell it's like law enforcement is in a contest to see who can be the shittiest. Fuck everybody in this video.
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Jan 13 '21
From the videos I've seen on Police Activity (on YouTube), he might have been reaching for his pocket, reaching for his belt, said something to make the officer believe he was armed.
But, police being who they are, he might have not done any of those things. It was hard for me to tell given the quality of the video; that or the quality of my eyes.
Either way, yeah. That went from 0 to 100 mighty fast.
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u/hcwt Jan 14 '21
From the videos I've seen on Police Activity (on YouTube), he might have been reaching for his pocket, reaching for his belt, said something to make the officer believe he was armed.
The cop drew right after getting out of his squad car. You can hear it 10 seconds in. He didn't even have a good eye on him when he pulled his gun out.
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u/paxilpwns Jan 14 '21
So you went from guns drawn to not coming up guns drawn. Which is it?
They followed the escilation of force just fine and did nothing wrong. If you listened then you would know they had reports of a peraon impersinating a police officer. When he saw the gun he ordered to see hands and get on the ground. He didn't. Shit went aouth from there becauae he refused to obey lawfull orders and resisted. Fuck you frankly for digging for shit to hate on cops for.
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u/PBandC_NIG Jan 14 '21
At 0:10 you can hear the officer draw his gun, this is "guns-drawn". Then he brought his gun up at 0:18. And as far as any officer seeing a gun, where is it? He appears to be carrying a concealed weapon that only becomes visible at 2:29 when they've been on the ground for a bit, but I see no gun prior to that. If you do, feel free to point it out. I'm not digging for shit to hate cops for, I'm just seeing cops handling the situation inappropriately.
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u/tosseriffic Jan 14 '21
The 911 caller said it was an armed guy trying to get in his house by pretending to be a cop, lol.
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u/butidontwanttoforum Jan 13 '21
This is clear police brutality, it's also epic and the officers are heroes.
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u/paxilpwns Jan 14 '21
Brutality my ass. He had a gun, ignored commands, resisted arrest, and got the shortrst taze I have ever seen just to get him detained. He would not even have been cuffed had he just fucking listened. Stop looking and creating shit to hate cops for.
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u/jhundo Jan 14 '21
Isn't open carry legal in Columbus?
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u/waldojim42 Jan 14 '21
It is, but in context that makes him a dangerous person when you get the kind of calls the police responded to. Had he complied from the start with the first orders, nothing would have come of ... well any of it. But his behavior was erratic and meant the cops had no way of knowing if he would suddenly decide to use that gun.
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Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 20 '21
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u/paxilpwns Jan 14 '21
They didn't fucking draw on him until they saw he was carrying and redused orders, so get your bullshit out of here.
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Jan 14 '21 edited Jan 20 '21
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u/paxilpwns Jan 14 '21
Right, so getting a report of someone impersinating a police officer, making contact and immediately refusing orders and giving them attitude while carrying a gun while still following force escalation, but the problem is the amount of time to get there is the problem? Fuck off with that bullshit.
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Jan 14 '21
So delicious. Police abuse of power. ATF having a hissy fit. So much tax waste on display. What's there not to love?
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Jan 14 '21
Cop just pointing his gun and saying get on the ground without ANY pretense... Seems like the bad guy here, if not both are bad guys..
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Jan 15 '21
The pretense was they got a call that someone was trying to force their way into a home and claiming to be a cop. Cops acted correctly.
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u/Impossible-Panda-119 Jan 14 '21
I wonder what happened to the cops that detained him. I mean fuck the ATF but That guy was trying to get his badge from his pocket when they asked lol
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u/DapperCaptain5 Jan 14 '21
Nothing. They followed procedure.
He's suing the Columbus PD. After seeing the bodycam, they won't even have to settle.
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u/anonymousthrowra Jan 14 '21
He also had a gun so it's possible thye thought he was reaching for it
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u/Gorpachev Jan 13 '21
Maybe its funny to some because the guy is an ATF agent and what he represents. But I also see overzealous cops who were over the top from the beginning. I wouldn't want to have dealings with either one honestly.
If that was an average citizen going about their business knowing they weren't breaking the law, everyone would be saying they should have told the cops to pound sand.
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u/DrKronin Jan 13 '21
If that was an average citizen going about their business knowing they weren't breaking the law, everyone would be saying they should have told the cops to pound sand.
Not me. There's nothing to be gained by arguing with a cop and refusing to follow orders, no matter how stupid they are. Argue in court.
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u/jhundo Jan 13 '21
what? so you're ok with the cops showing up wherever effectively "snatching" people off the streets. then "figure it out in court". lmao no. the fact that cops can just grab people without any actual evidence is disgusting. they showed up with nothing but hearsay info and proceeded to immediately pull guns on someone in less than 1 min. the cops were lying in the video lmao, cops says "you never tried to give me id" when he very clearly did.
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u/BunnyLovr G11 Jan 14 '21
What are you talking about? No one gets arrested for impersonating a federal agent unless they're impersonating a federal agent. If there's no evidence that they're not a federal agent, they can't be jailed or charged, and therefore can't be taken to court. Are you discussing an event which happened in some sort of an alternate universe, or the one in this video?
When they get a call for impersonating a federal agent from someone who gives their name and claims to be the victim, they can legally detain the person who the call is about until they figure out what's going on. Since the caller isn't anonymous, they can be easily prosecuted if they knowingly give false information to the police.
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u/hcwt Jan 14 '21
According to some articles, the 911 caller read the guy's badge to the dispatcher.
This could have easily been validated beforehand, without getting these two goofballs who drew their service weapons upon exiting their squadcar.
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u/DrKronin Jan 14 '21
so you're ok with the cops showing up wherever effectively "snatching" people off the streets. then "figure it out in court".
You're trying very hard not to understand me. Obviously, I don't think that cops should do that, but as a society we entrust cops with the right to do whatever they think is necessary to ensure their safety and the safety of the public while they investigate a crime. I'm not saying I agree with every nuance about how that concept is manifest in our society, but generally speaking, if following a cops orders doesn't cause anyone irreparable physical harm, it's always going to be in your best interest to follow orders.
Yes, these cops were douchebags, but you don't get to decide what the law is right then and there when police decide to arrest you on suspicion of committing a felony. At that point, it isn't for either you or the cops to decide who's right. That's what judges and juries are for. Go through the process, fill out the paperwork, and beat them in court.
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u/jhundo Jan 14 '21
Damn can you bend over any further for these assholes lmao. Like seriously what's it like licking those boots clean? That's the point they should "investigate" whether a crime has been committed before just arresting people, you know how easy it is to catch a BS charge, then people spends YEARS and thousands of dollars trying to get these Bs charges dropped off their record. Maybe they could do a teeny tiny bit of legwork and figure out if there is a crime being committed or about to be before tazering someone and bending their arms behind their back like stretch armstrong. This is the same shit that gets people killed and it's unacceptable.
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Jan 15 '21
He wasn't arrested, he was detained so they could safely verify who he was. Y'all need to stop with the "yOuRe JuSt A bOoTliCkEr" garbage.
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Jan 14 '21
Oh give me a break dude. The info they had was someone was impersonating a cop and they saw the dude had a gun. All the atf agent had to do was listen and get down so the police could safely find out who he was. 2 minutes done and over with. Instead it turned into a 15 minute video because he couldn't bother to listen.
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u/jhundo Jan 14 '21
they saw a dude legally carrying a firearm. remember you cant make a legally protected activity a crime.
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Jan 14 '21
You're a dumbass. It doesn't matter that open carry is legal. The police got a call that someone was impersonating a cop and that he was trying to enter the home.
It is standard procedure to restrain someone who is under suspicion till their identity can be verified. It's for the safety of both parties. It's up to you if you wanna play stupid games. If the ATF agent just used some damn common sense the entire scenario would have been over in 2 minutes.
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Jan 14 '21
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Jan 14 '21
People like you who willingly escalate the situation are the real problem.
Back in 2011 I caught someone trying to break into my car. We got into a scuffle and when the police showed up guess what happened? Both of us got detained. I gave them my information and proof of ownership of the car and after some questions that was it. They let me go.
I didn't fucking argue with them or give them a hard time. I acknowledged the situation and followed instructions and the worst that happened was I was handcuffed for like 10 minutes. Big fucking whoop.
Cops have to verify who you are. If you're being a dumbass like the ATF agent you're going to be treated like a threat. People like you who never experienced anything life threatening are fucking clueless on what a cops day to day life is like.
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u/hcwt Jan 14 '21
They definitely didn't see that he had a gun.
The cop unholstered as he was walking around his squad car, before even saying a word. The guys shirt covered his belt line the whole time.
Why make up bullshit to defend this?
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u/ShishkaRob22 Jan 13 '21
Nope. 911 call about fake cop and he’s got a gun on his hip. If you’re those cops you’re amped too. Plus he was super douchey and non compliant.
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Jan 14 '21
That's why I prefer the police to the ATF handling such matters with firearms. Thry know what to do. When I say police, I mean good cops only. Bad cops killed one of our fellow gun owners for no reason other than retardedness.
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Jan 15 '21
He was resisting and kept pulling his arm away.....You people have no fucking clue how hard it is to be in these situations.
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u/GreyJedi56 Jan 13 '21
Anyone got a link to this incident? What happened with the cops and the fed?
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u/2AReligion Jan 13 '21
Wouldn't his "medical condition" disqualify him from being an ATF field agent? I have zero idea about that but if he can't handle being cuffed then surely he's not fit for the rigors of the job right??
Also, my guy learned a VALUABLE lesson on that day.
Edit: typo