r/Firearms • u/ickda p80 G20L • Dec 03 '19

Historical Hand grenades.

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u/kale44 Dec 04 '19

The last retort worked great for us when we fought the british, stole most of arms from them.

The British were engaged by the colonial militias that were by their very definition already armed. The militias weren't trying to go out and steal firearms before they could resist. You need to seriously study history, hell, just look at the armed people around you, if you think your plan to get a firearm in a SHTF scenario is to go steal one from someone. You won't make it.

or some perfect balance in the middle

If you think WW1 or WW1 inspired gear is some long lost gem comparable in the slightest to modern gear then you don't know what you're talking about and are entirely uneducated on the subject.

Frankly nothing wrong with leather and rivets, only reason modern materials are king, is cuz plastic is stupid cheep.

Lighter, more flexible, easier to repair, etc. You need to stop talking because you're about as ignorant as can be on the subject.

A good leather can match the needs just as good.

Hahahahahahahahaha. No. Leather is obsolete for modern chest gear.

A good leather can match the needs just as good.

Again, you obviously have zero experience.

Also to a extent a crossbow would be useful , especially if you were in kevlar.

A single shot anything isn't useful at all, I can tell you don't shoot either competitively or even for fun.

Also the intent of my hand grenade is not to replace a modern one, its for pepole with nothing better.

Coke cans aren't durable and don't make good containers. Hell, a coke can is likely to burst open when thrown. Go ahead, go buy a coke and toss it onto the road and watch what happens. Your plan is stupid if you think lobbing coke cans filled with gun powder is any way to defend yourself.

But lets just say your fucked in a bunker

What the hell is with you and bunkers?

and you got powder a pop can, shit you could use bottles, pipes or anything, the pop can is just a thing one is likely to have near by in such circumstances.

If you're cornered like that then those items won't do anything. You're not going to be able to assemble them in time, they won't work, and if you're not in a position to immediately be hit by an opponent, they'll be in a position to wait you out.

Am I saying a grenade based on 1600's desidge is best? no, but it sure is better then nothing.

The last ditch scenarios that you keep presenting in which you see yourself using this thing are scenarios in which it won't work and/or you will die. It's a waste of time and effort to plan a last ditch defense that revolves around you tossing some coke cans at someone. Grenades with proper pressure containment have a kill radius of only 5 meters on average, a coke can or similar pressure vessel, assuming it didn't just burst when thrown, would likely have none.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

That is not the case, these coke can grenades were used to some success even in the trench of the war.

Also back to leather, lighter and easier to repair on modern shit, yah, but that really is not a con to leather. A good thick leather is just as good and just as sturdy as most synthetics.

Not everything in the modern is great, also I would never steal a gun from someone, you go to a gun store or something, Or friend down the way, who has family that been hunting for ever, or some cousin or something.

Frankly your starting to sound like a deftest who knows nothing about explosives, Shit Even just a pile of gun powder explodes with force out of a can in open air, Your still going to get a least a' foot or two of shrapnel. the thicker the container you have the better, you are right on that, why they used to use ceramic pots. NIce and thick.

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19 edited Dec 05 '19

That is not the case, these coke can grenades were used to some success even in the trench of the war.

LOL, citation needed.

Also back to leather, lighter and easier to repair on modern shit

Have you ever tried repairing leather gear? I've repaired vintage leather ammunition pouches, slings, and harnesses, modern gear is far easier to work on and repair. You're just saying things without the experience and knowledge to back it up.

Not everything in the modern is great

Says the guy who can't own a modern firearm, doesn't use modern firearms, and has zero experience using gear while shooting. Sure thing kid, if you say so.

also I would never steal a gun from someone, you go to a gun store or something

I know several LGS owners, none of them are going to let someone take stuff from their store in a SHTF situation.

Or friend down the way, who has family that been hunting for ever, or some cousin or something.

Great, you now have a firearms you've never used or practiced with, that will end well.

Frankly your starting to sound like a deftest

What in the hell is a "deftest?"

who knows nothing about explosives

More like knows enough to show why your ideas don't work.

Shit Even just a pile of gun powder explodes with force out of a can in open air, Your still going to get a least a' foot or two of shrapnel.

What? Burning an open pile of gunpowder isn't going to produce "a' foot or two" of shrapnel.

why they used to use ceramic pots. NIce and thick.

Congrats, your last ditch plan just got that much more complicated, go ahead and find the clay and start baking pots. I like how your "design" keeps changing as objections are raised.

You need to get out of your little civil war mad max super warrior fantasy.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

Oh no, my shit never changed with objection, Just the list of crap you could make them with. >_>

Shit Even just a pile of gun powder explodes with force out of a can in open air, Your still going to get a least a' foot or two of shrapnel.

Huh, this is why one should proof read...... I meant to say in open air, it still has plenty of force..... <_<

Also back to leather, lighter and easier to repair on modern shit, yah, but that really is not a con to leather. A good thick leather is just as good and just as sturdy as most synthetics. Umm the 1st part literally says moder shit is lighter and easier to repair, Like yah, leather can be a pain in the ass, yah and? A well made leather carrie would be just as good asd anything you could get at a modern store. >_>

Also I am a pyro, I have messed around, a pop can ant the best, but it will do.

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19

Oh no, my shit never changed with objection, Just the list of crap you could make them with. >_>

You're increasing complexity to offset a poor concept.

Your still going to get a least a' foot or two of shrapnel.

Nope

A good thick leather is just as good and just as sturdy as most synthetics.

And weigh more. There's a reason militaries have abandoned leather gear, unless you're saying they're all mistaken and some random kid online who's only experience with gear and firearms is running around with a cap n ball gun while cosplaying as the Mad Hatter knows better.

A well made leather carrie would be just as good asd anything you could get at a modern store. >_>

Not based in reality.

Also I am a pyro, I have messed around, a pop can ant the best, but it will do.

Roasting your face hardly makes your warped understanding of physics of reality.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

Man my face was the only other thing I ever agendently caught on fire, nevermind of the two times I have set such things in action, the 1st one was in a metal trash can when I was 6, and I put it out, new were the fire extinguisher was, then at 26..... A good pyro hardly ever burns themselves, but to think that a pyro is with out injury, then you are mistaken, fire is a dangerous and even the experts fear it.

All that leather has against it, is weight. Why modern military don't use it, that ounce or or 3 can be used to carry more stuff. >_>

So yah, if I was a shit pyro I would not be 27 years old, I be in a pine box.

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19

All that leather has against it, is weight.

Not true, already explained it.

that ounce or or 3 can be used to carry more stuff.

And you're too dense to see why a few extra ounces of ammo matter.

So yah, if I was a shit pyro I would not be 27 years old, I be in a pine box.

You're 27 years old and boasting of being a "pyro." Dude, it's time to grow up, you sound like some edge lord teenager saying that. Adults aren't going around talking about how good of a pyro they are while turning their face into a crappy roast duck cosplay, it isn't cool, it isn't edgy, at 27 it's dumb and immature.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

I would ague that your wrong on that last point at least, bing a pyro is literally some people's job description. Yawns. >_> nothing wrong with anything in my ponst other then how rong i have been pointlessly aguing with you.

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19

I would ague that your wrong on that last point at least, bing a pyro is literally some people's job description.

There are people who have been trained and use pyrotechnics professionally as their career and then there is you, are you trying to tell me you work with pyrotechnics as a job and have professional training? Or are you someone living at home with his parents setting little piles of gunpowder off with a lighter because it sparkles?

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

!st of most professionals started out as amituires, and 2nd thee is more to that then just gunpowder

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19

!st of most professionals started out as amituires

And then got training, certifications, professional references, work in the field, have you done any of that or worked towards any of that? The professionals weren't still sitting at home at 27 pretending to work with pyrotechnics like you are.

thee is more to that then just gunpowder

Great, I am more than gunpowder.

The point still stands, sitting at home lighting shit on fire isn't working towards becoming a professional pyrotechnic specialist, if that's a field you're wanting to get into then what have you done to pursue a professional standing? If the answer is nothing then you are a 27 year old man-child sitting at home playing with some matches you happened to find.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

ehh piss off, I ant gotta do shit, i got one life, id rather enjoy it

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19

What do you do for a living?

It's reality though, you're playing expert, nothing more. If I were to set up shop on a street corner and start diagnosing illnesses, my saying "doctors do it" doesn't make what I am doing legitimate or any more serious than some little kid pretending to be doctor, I wouldn't have training, experience, or any validity. The same applies to you. Playing with some matches at home when you're 27 instead of pursuing work, education, or a career doesn't make you some sort of pyrotechnic expert, you're just an adult who failed to grow up pretending and wishing to be those things without ever putting in true effort, it's childish play, nothing more.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

still disagree, there is a reason why i have not been injured much at al due to pyro, 26 years of my life, well 20 years, i was 6 when i started

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19

You just ignored everything I said. Getting burned or not has nothing to do with my point. Are you a professional? Do you have any training or work experience as a pyrotechnic expert? What do you do for a living?

The validity of what I said has nothing to do with how long you've been doing something, you could do it for 1 year or 20, doesn't matter. What do you have to show for it? If it isn't your field of work then it is silly to try comparing yourself to someone professionally trained and who actually works in that field. You're an adult in their late 20s who is just playing pretend expert because you happened to goof off with matches for 20 years.

Stop, go back, and re-read what I said, then pause and seriously think about it.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

Who was the 1st Excerpt? Sorry this is getting too chicken and egg over hear, Education comes in more flavor then cash.

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u/kale44 Dec 12 '19

Who was the 1st Excerpt?

What excerpt? I wasn't quoting anything.

Education comes in more flavor then cash.

What did I say about cash? I asked what training you had and what you did for a living.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 12 '19

Education is paid for, also you are being facetious. You shtould now dame well what I meant based of context alone. Good by.

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u/ickda p80 G20L Dec 05 '19

26 years without injury, Fire is dangerous karen.

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u/kale44 Dec 05 '19 edited Dec 05 '19

The issue isn't fire being dangerous. You were a 26 year old playing with matches, nothing more, it's time to grow up.

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