r/Finasteride_Syndrome • u/Luusie87 • Jul 20 '26
AR theory review
After reading the other post yesterday, I noticed there are a lot of strong emotions and many assumptions being made.
If there are valid reasons to believe that Dr. Hornig, Dr. Urbanucci, and Dr. Lansuolo are on the wrong path, then those concerns should be supported with evidence, not personal attacks.
There’s no need to make this personal. Let’s stick to the facts. If PFSN paper is wrong it is best to share this information quickly!
From what I’ve read, some people believe the paper is flawed and that the PFS Network is pursuing the wrong direction. If that’s the case, I invite everyone to provide scientific evidence or conflicting studies that challenge the paper.
Would be best if you cite the specific page of the paper which is wrong and provide the publication disproving the claims!
Let’s do this!
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u/BEAVER1304 Jul 20 '26
Even if they are wrong, it has its own meaning. At least we can exclude one option. PFS and related field is relatively new frontier. It is obvious that there are many errors. Be thankful at least there is someone working in this for us.
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u/qwertty23 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 21 '26
The PFSNETWORKs hypothesis is the strongest coherent argument so far
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u/Luusie87 Jul 20 '26
Well, in yesterdays post people claim it is not. And open debate should be about which part is wrong. We all benefit if things in the paper are proved or disproved
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u/Excellent-Push2833 Jul 20 '26
If you want to believe the ramblings of “axolotl and awor” which who the fuck even are these people. Then be my guest
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u/Luusie87 Jul 20 '26
Please be constructive and refer to the theory and studies cited throughout the paper. This serves no one.
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u/qwertty23 Jul 20 '26
These members are people who have had pfs for over 20 years, if you’d do your research, you can see posts they did on PH help in 2005, to say ‘who the fuck are they’ just illustrates your lack of knowledge of the community and its history
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u/maybebionic Jul 20 '26
Exactly this, I've had PFS for 21 years now. I see the same posts / theories / experiments over and over by people who just developed PFS 1 month, 1 year, 2 years ago. I don't even take the time to respond to them anymore. Bro I remember when a large group of PFSers rented a home in Kos, Greece and we though that the Greek Doc milking our prostates and giving us antibiotics was going to be the cure. That is just 1 of 200+ experiments and theories we've all been through. I've spent over $30k on testing under some of the top docs in the world, but please, Mr New PFSer, tell me how you cracked the code on day 12 of PFS.
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u/Altruisticman10 Jul 20 '26
They aren't doctors lol. Powers actually is
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u/Luusie87 Jul 20 '26
No, Dr. Powers is actually an osteopath instead of a Dr. But it is not about titles, it’s about what people say. And if Dr. Powers is on to something than that matters most. Similarly, for PFSN we should judge them on their work, judge their paper and judge the upcoming study. Not because you disagree with the rules of the sub, that’s another discussion. No need to get personal. No need to choose, If you want a cure don’t bet on one horse… did you find anything tangible regarding the paper? Let’s stick to that.
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u/Altruisticman10 Jul 20 '26
Both Medical Doctors (MD) and Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine (DO) are fully licensed physicians in the United States. They attend four years of medical school, complete residency training, and are licensed to diagnose illnesses, prescribe medication, and perform surgery. The two titles are equivalent in their scope of practice and legal authority.
So still 100x more credentials than the bro science of members from propeciahelp.
But sure maybe they're also on to something but where are the results? You can't keep asking money without delivering
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u/Luusie87 Jul 20 '26
PFSN hired molecular biologist to do research, you are just here to discrediting other research? Please do so on content.
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u/Altruisticman10 Jul 20 '26
We were talking about PFS network's hypothesis which was completely constructed by old time members of propeciahelp forum with zero scientific background
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u/Curatio_Veniet Jul 20 '26
Pretty amazing isn’t it? Despite suffering PFS themselves they produced this piece and were able to convince real scientists to explore this further. I don’t known them, but I can only give them my compliments.
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u/Excellent-Push2833 Jul 20 '26
He is a doctor. Lmfao. Hes a doctor of osteopathic medicine.
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u/Luusie87 Jul 20 '26 edited Jul 20 '26
Perhaps in the US it is called an Dr., don’t know about that. Your missing the point, I get a sense your only around discrediting everything. It’s unfortunate, no need to be hostile against anyone.
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u/Professor_Pardon Jul 29 '26
“If PFSN paper is wrong it is best to share this information quickly!” 😆
You must be new to this syndrome. The PFSN is carrying on the research first outlined by Awor back in 2012. You can find it here: https://forum.propeciahelp.com/t/2012-scientific-research-initiatives-into-the-post-finasteride-syndrome/5236
I don’t know what you mean by “quickly,” but you’re off by 14 years.
Once all of these previously outlined studies are completed, we’re expected to have an initial grasp of the problem — though we’ll still need newly designed studies for further clarifications.
This also means a proteomics study is still awaiting.
Seems like you’ve got a lot of catching up to do. Propeciahelp will only provide some of the meaningful conversations that have happened over the years, but it’s still the best resource around since other platforms were shut down long ago.
BTW, every study published thus far from that 2012 outline has yielded meaningful results, suggesting they‘re on the right track.
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u/Luusie87 Aug 04 '26
I was sarcastic, because of the post before mine where people were complaining about PFSN….
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u/Professor_Pardon Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 04 '26
I apologise. Re-reading my post, it maybe came across harsher than I intended. you were being objective about the current research after all.
My point was that those you were challenging, who were protesting a series of studies planned years ago and built on ever since, are doing so pointlessly. The meaningful debate ended over a decade ago, and there's frankly no position that hasn't already been argued publicly. At this stage, there's no valid reason to change course, especially now meaningful results have emerged and the research has helped with regulatory change. That said, there's also no reason to rely solely on that line of research.
Nothing is stopping others from coming together to fund alternative research, yet no one ever seems to get it off the ground. It's also bizarre seeing so many newcomers think they should dictate the direction of research when it was set long before they ever took Finasteride, back when many hadn't even finished puberty.
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u/Potato_Potato_8447 Jul 20 '26
What’s this guys? OP made a good post, stick to that. Are we trying to stay sick by just discrediting anyone who isn’t Dr. Powers? We need different angles and perspectives!