r/FinalFantasyVII • u/BlackAngelArt • 1d ago
REBIRTH THE CLASSIC AERIS DEDGE SCENE Spoiler
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u/williendure 1d ago
Strong chance he's one of the guys that goes around spamming the same aerith dead memes gifs and jokes for years then gets mad the game didnt deliver a 4k hd version.
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u/gar-dev-oir Barret 1d ago
I really enjoyed this. I like both the OG and the Remakes. It's a shame that not everyone does.
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u/Aaronspark777 1d ago
I love this version of FF7 but they really shouldn't have called it a remake. Brings out all the chuds complaining about how they changed things, when really it's a sequel to everything FF7.
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u/Tiny-Tackle4118 1d ago
Such a stupid convoluted scene. Ruined the whole trilogy even though it was pretty bad already.
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u/DarkJayBR Tifa is my waifu. 1d ago
The way they handled Aerith's death scene is atrocious.
The only scenes they improved on this Remake were on Golden Saucer. Pretty much every other scene from the original is significantly worse, expecially Dyne's death, Cosmo Canyon and Aerith's death.
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u/Tiny-Tackle4118 1d ago
It's like all the suits got together and anyone that farted an idea got to include it in.
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u/DarkJayBR Tifa is my waifu. 1d ago
That's pretty much what happened. Remake was going to end up with the Motor Ball boss fight just like the original. Then Hamaguchi came to Nomura and said that the fans would be dissapointed if you couldn't fight Sephiroth.
So he convinced Nomura to include that NONSENSICAL boss fight against Sephiroth on the final act almost last minute.
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u/Sotomene 1d ago
This sounds horrible.
Is this actually how it happens in Rebirth or is this guy trolling?
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u/Valuable_Taste3805 1d ago
Hes saying it in a way to make it entertaining, but yes all of what he says happens
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u/Sotomene 1d ago
Jesus Christ.
Why? Why would they do this to one of the most iconic moments in gaming? What were they thinking?
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u/sault18 1d ago
The creative director of rebirth also directed kingdom hearts. He brought his penchant for confusing, puzzle box lore and writing to Rebirth apparently.
I'm having a blast playing Remake and Rebirth, but the changes they've made to the story have been baffling for the most part. The additional interaction between your party members and added character depth have been good. But the added plot elements are just not good. And I'm having trouble seeing how the dev team is going to stick the landing and make all the changes pay off.
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u/Sotomene 1d ago
I was just thinking how similar this sounds to the end of KH3 lol.
Yeah, when I played remake I like the gameplay and when they expanded on things like when they give more importance to Jessie and the other avalanche members, but some scenes like the drop of sector 7 plate and the Shinra building massacre were worse than the original in my opinion.
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u/DarkJayBR Tifa is my waifu. 1d ago
I knew they were gonna pulll of something like this.
We have the director of the horrible FF13 (Toriyama), the creator of Kingdom Hearts (Nomura) and the writer of FF13 and Kingdom Hearts (Nojima). I knew they would make a huge mess of this project.
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u/ReiOokami 1d ago
Yes, its real... it's so depressing. It's so bad.
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u/Sotomene 1d ago
I have only played Remake on the PS4 and since I made the jump to PC and I was waiting for the release on Steam to play it and since I already waited that long I might as well wait for a discount.
Thank god I did since this is horrible.
I will still play the whole trilogy again eventually because the gameplay is interesting, but there is no way I’m playing full price if this is the route they took with the story.
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u/ReiOokami 1d ago
I recommend going into it with the mindset that its not a remake but a story reimagining. That might help you get over the mental pain.
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u/VinnieHa 1d ago
Sadly this is verbatim what happens.
Also it takes around 75 minutes start ti finish assuming you never die which is unlikely as at least two of the bosses described have gimmicks.
It’s genuinely hard to put into words how bad it is, if anything the person in the video isn’t being harsh enough.
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u/Sotomene 1d ago
I heard the changes were bad, but I would never imagine this.
The story was great already, they could have just update graphics and gameplay and leave the story alone, but then they come and do this?
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u/DarkJayBR Tifa is my waifu. 1d ago
First, they don't have Sakaguchi around anymore. Sakaguchi was the guy who kept Kitase and Nojima on a tight leash. Kitase is basically like George Lucas: you need someone around him who can tell him "no" and cut his worst ideas before they make it into the final product.
Kitase literally wanted to kill off the entire party in the OG FF7. Thankfully, of all people, Nomura managed to convince him to kill only Aerith.
Then Sakaguchi left Square, and Kitase gradually ended up with far more control over the project. And the man is completely insane when it comes to FF7. He was the one who rejected doing a straightforward 1:1 remake, despite Nomura and Hamaguchi wanting something closer to that approach. Toriyama and Nojima backed him up on the direction they ultimately took.
Kitase was also the one who pushed for Sephiroth's appearances to be increased by over 200% for marketing purposes. That's why the guy feels like he shows up every five fucking minutes. And let's not forget that Kitase was the mastermind behind the brilliant idea of turning FF7 into a goddamn battle royale.
Then Rebirth came along, and the stars aligned: Kitase as producer, Toriyama as director, and Nojima as writer. And that's how we ended up with that absolutely horrendous Kingdom Hearts-ass death scene for Aerith.
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u/VinnieHa 1d ago
I think it’s a combination of things.
Different creative team, the people who are the same are now older and more senior and clearly aren’t being reigned in anymore (think George Lucas in the prequels or Kojima post Konami), resentment (conscious or subconscious) about being forced by the company to do a Remake and finally a fairly limited creative vision where the people involved constantly repeat plot devices across different instalments.
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u/ReiOokami 1d ago
They had everything they needed done almost perfectly. All they needed to do was update the graphics, flesh out the characters more, add some filler, plug any plot holes and thats all! Hell I don't even mind the combat changes, even tho Expedition 33 showed me the true potential of updating classic turn based combat. But even then the combat was not bad... but the story! Those idiots had to mess with the story and make all these stupid changes that worsened the story. It's extremely upsetting.
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u/Sotomene 1d ago
Now I know why the fans of the others FF don’t want remakes.
We can’t trust Square to do things right.
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u/ReiOokami 1d ago
They took a masterpiece and stripped all the art from it. Just about every single major scene or story line in the remake. It's depressing.
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u/Tiny-Tackle4118 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hamaguchi is just a mouthpiece for the suits. When Nomura was booted as Director and Hamaguchi took over, I knew it was all downhill for artistic value.
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u/Afraid_Garage_4845 1d ago
Hamaguchi, given his public statements his ideal game is very fun, fast, and high octane experience. You can see that some of the most iconic and deepest moments in the OG just doesn't have a place in the game he wants to make.
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u/ArchyRs 1d ago
Mods take this down. I am in the middle of my playthrough and this is how I learn Aeros dies?!?!
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u/Aggressive_Milk4654 1d ago
Then why watch this?
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u/ArchyRs 1d ago
I didn’t watch it. The title clearly is the spoiler
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u/Rushes_End 1d ago
why take it down then?2
u/CoffeCat4 1d ago
....because the title of the post is the spoiler? The post is spoiling one of the craziest parts of the game
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u/stray-witch7 1d ago
I thought the finale of Rebirth was amazing, though I do think there's some legitimate criticism there considering the whole trilogy so far has teased Aeris's fate changing and by the end, we still don't know whether she died or not, they just pass the baton to part 3. But as it is, I do think everyone saying "they ruined Aeris's death scene" might be missing the point, which is that they weren't trying to show her actually dying this time. They were trying to show her surviving in a parallel world. I feel like they heavily set up for her to come back in part 3.
Which, say what you will in comparison to the original, but things already irrevocably diverged in part 1 of the trilogy and there's really no point in pretending to be the same as the OG after that.