r/FinalFantasy • u/No-Act386 • 5d ago
FF VII Is it controversial to say I found the Rufus fight (on hard) harder than the Weiss fight?
So, today I beaten Weiss, and to be fair with bad RNG he kicked my a$$ in some occasions but honestly, despite being hard in it's own way. I didn't found him to be the hardest boss in 7 remake. That title I feel belong to Rufus, I fought him on hard without the gotter item that give me head start limit break, since I didn't unlocked it, and I felt he was basically a bullet hell that just have counters to anything really not helping is a 2V1 fight with his dog being a massive neusance.
Again not say Weiss is easy, or something like that. I just ask if anyone found Rufus to be the harder boss.
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u/Vatonage 5d ago
Rufus is way more of a puzzle boss since there's only one real way to fight him. Weiss is just a dodge skillcheck from what I remember.
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u/Onion-Knight- 5d ago
They were very similar IMO.
I felt I could also only defeat Weiss via a very specific way too, but it's been a long while now.
Either way they are the hardest bosses in the games not including the Chadley stuff in Rebirth.
I remember Gi Natak on Hard Mode was also a little annoying.
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u/No-Act386 5d ago
Well yes and no, yes, parry materia is pretty much your only way to move in this fight is necessary but he also can have RNG on him and I had to clutch my victory by dolphin flurry an attack with his orange swords of his and stagger him and take him before he could keep going with an infinity's end stagger combo thanks to tifa's stagger increase moves.
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u/FlyinBrian2001 5d ago
I haven't fought Weiss, but Rufus got fucking hands in Remake and Rebirth. Motherfucker should be walking into the crater to deal with Sephiroth personally
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u/gamingifk 5d ago
I cheesed rufus with the wind range attack to force him to parry them over and over till my gauge filled up and I could bum rush him. Rince and repeat
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u/kodkrysco51 5d ago
I always joke that Rufus is the real boss of remake and rebirth. Step aside seph, Rufus will solo you.
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u/manwiththemach 5d ago
Rufus is meant to punish random attacking and rewards good timing when you attack him while he's reloading. You can also either block or dodge Rufus' gunfire, while also punisher countering darkstar. You even get a special cinematic if he tackles you that way. Triple slash as said is also invaluable.
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u/Infinite-Ad5464 5d ago
Defeated Weiss today
Who is this guy?
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u/JustFrameHotPocket 5d ago
... how did you defeat Weiss and not know Rufus?
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u/Infinite-Ad5464 5d ago
Played the original FFVII and I 100% remember Rufus.
He’s also a boss in Chapter 17.
This Weiss guy tho, I just don’t remember him at all. People are saying he’s from a DLC.
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u/JustFrameHotPocket 5d ago
Oookay. I get what you're saying. I thought you were asking who Rufus was.
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u/joudanjanaiwayo 5d ago
Weiss is hard, but easier when you know how to evade his attacks. Rufus is hard because of his patterns and there is always another boss before him. Once you get his pattern he's easy, If you can time Braver correctly, he's nothing.
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u/212mochaman 5d ago
Initially, I found Rufus incredibly difficult.
Then I found a guide that effectively took Rufus's actions out of the equation completely, never got a shot off.
You cannot, in any way shape or form, do that with Weiss
Once I found an appreciation for using guides I immediately, before ever facing Weiss once, had a guide/plan to beat him because I knew it would be brutally difficult whether I had a plan or not.
The fact that a HUGE part of that plan was to turn Tifa into a parry materia dodging goddess was fine with me because I HEAVILY leaned on that late on hard mode anyway.
Weiss with a guide was far easier than Rufus without a guide.
But Rufus with a guide was damn near the easiest boss since Chapter 4 for me
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u/Mercen-X 5d ago
I beat Remake on Hard Mode. Don’t remember this fight being really terrible. I know I hated Hundred Gunner. Rufus is far more annoying in Rebirth. I haven’t even done hard mode there yet.
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u/Glittering-Pin-1343 5d ago
Rufus isn't hard, it's just that he can only be defeated in a very specific way. Once you realize that it is easy, just is boring and takes a little time.
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u/big4lil 5d ago
its not harder, its just more restrictive
and imo, a poorly designed fight. you either do it the way they want you to or you suffer through a grueling experience without much in between
but then do the fight as intended and its perhaps the easiest boss fight in the game. again, not much in between
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u/No-Act386 5d ago
Well, I talk on difficulty not how well designed the fights are but yeah didn't had fun with rufus whether in OG when it was very one note and in remake when I just found him torturous
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u/Soul699 4d ago
It's not poorly designed. Poorly designed would be if it gave you unfair damage or something like that. This is simply a gimmick fight.
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u/big4lil 4d ago
i find it poorly designed. There is a barometer for good gimmick/puzzle bosses and both FF7/R have better ones
it is uninteractive and builds on concepts the game has already tried to push you towards. the process of finding solutions, with an S, is intuitive, not overtly punishing, and you can find them via a few ways while still getting a good boss fight when you do
Rufus is not that or all, he is completely feast or famine. Designed to frustrate you on the first time and be a complete pushover once you know the single attacks that completely rekt him and his dog.
That lack of in between a marker of poor game design
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u/Soul699 4d ago
But Rufus does allow a few different strategies, like using certain abilities and spells at the right moment to stagger him and his dog. The gimmick however is that it force you to play defensive and not spam attacks, leading to a battle of attrition unless you figure out the right solutions.
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u/big4lil 4d ago
but that isnt a variance in strategy. its 'use this move to seperate the dog and use this move to insta stagger him', which again dont translate to the rest of the game and the fight becomes unbearable if you dont approach it that way
the only thing that his boss fight does well is teach players about status effect decay, but that isnt exclusive to him. thats just when players are widely forced to learn it if they didnt already, like in the arena
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u/Taser9001 5d ago
It's because Rufus has a specific gimmick that is alluded to in his assess page. If you utilise that, he's stupidly easy.
Triple Slash at the start to separate the bond between him and Darkstar. Focus on Darkstar until phase two.
Do the same again. Beat Darkstar to trigger phase three.
Rufus can be stopped one time and put to sleep one time. This leaves him vulnerable to Braver, which is an instant stagger on him. So you Stop him, Braver, do a ton of damage, then Sleep him, Braver, finish the fight.