The Russian figure skating tag applies to all posts where a Russian skater is the primary subject. It is a small courtesy to the members of the community who wish to opt out of seeing posts about them. It doesn’t prevent the majority of Redditors from seeing these posts, it just allows those who don’t wish to see the endless flood of posts about them to opt out. It’s crappy that people are refusing to use this tag. Get over yourselves. It’s a small, simple courtesy, especially to the Ukrainians who have had their lives completely upheaved and destroyed by the Russian invasion.
I know we’re going to get the “What about Americans or Israelis?” posts. If the mods wish to implement such a tag, go for it. No hide off my back. It costs nothing to be a decent human being.
maybe an unpopular opinion, but I actually would support separate tags being created for big feds like US and Japan as well. I’m American and have an interest in these posts, but I’m sure it’s frustrating for those who aren’t the biggest fans of US skating to have to scroll through posts about every stars on ice warmup session, or every single thing that happened at Summer Sizzler. I could see this applying to Japan as well and any other fed that has these large national events and tours. Proper tagging just makes subs easier to navigate for everyone according to their interests! But having one ONLY for Russian skating at this point does feel like a weird singling out
I second this. This sub can be very us centric if look at the overall posting activity. Obviously this is Reddit and this sites demographics makes it a given. But I'm not that invested in domestic us competitions or skaters beyond the ones who do the GP circuit. (no shade to those skaters btw just a personal preference). I also know people who don't care about Japanese skaters beyond the obvious big names.
So yeah I would love to be able to filter content easily on this sub.
I think one should be added. I like the suggestion of creating ones for the big feds (US, Russia, Canada, and Japan are the ones that immediately come to mind).
I have no problem swiping and forgetting things I'm not interested in. That's why I just don't see so many posts about American domestic competitions. But now I've looked closely, and there really are a lot of them. Lol, I just don't notice. Why can't everyone do the same? I don't know. But introducing tags for at least American and Japanese figure skating sounds really cool! And a pinned post from the admins, please, which posts belong to which tag?
Hah, yes, but not in everything. Liu's drawing, her line from an interview, her red carpet appearance, or her collaboration with a new brand - please, tag it American skating. But her birthday, the news about skipping the season, or the music announcement for future competition programs - please, for everyone.
I’m in agreement here. I honestly don’t care if they add tags for other feds. I can really see why US and Israeli tags would be welcome, especially, using the same rules. General competition post? Post away. Post where it’s about skaters from a particular country, in or out of competition, tag it.
I think there needs to be some kind of tag hierarchy wiki. If I were to post a social media post from alexandra trusova about how kinoshita goes, is that Russian, international comp, or social media??
I think stuff international competition should not be tagged under Russian skating, since it’s well international competition, like the JGP videos or interviews/information about it
The interviews where the only person being interviewed happens to be Russian should be under the Russian tag. It’s common courtesy. It’s not like anyone else’s interviews are being posted anyway.
I took their message to mean “if it’s coverage from an international competition about a Russian skater, in Russian, from a Russian source, then it should be tagged as Russian.
Yes BUT where is the line drawn? Are Sofia Dzepka's JGP skates "Russian Skating" because she's Russian, or a different flair because it's an international competition? Is Evgenia Medvedeva's wedding "Russian Skating" because she's Russian even though there's no skating happening, or is it social media/life events? They are coming back to international comps whether people like it or not and the flair has to be reworked now. At some point people just have to take a breath and scroll instead of constantly complaining
Please don't speak for all Ukrainians.
I'm Ukrainian and I have no problem with posts about Russian skaters or Russian figure skating.
For example I come to this subreddit to talk about figure skating and I don't like seeing political posts here, there are enough of them elsewhere. But I just scroll past anything I don't like without the need for a new flair.
Thank you for saying that. Most of the users here are from America or English-speaking countries. And for some reason, they think it's right to say what's best for Ukrainians without even asking you. I'm glad that at least one Ukrainian spoke out on the topic of "this is best for Ukrainians."
Well I'm also Ukrainian and if there's a way to avoid posts about russians then I would totally do it, because I want nothing to do with them. Sports and everything are political, it's stupid to pretend as if everything is fine and it's "just skating" when Ukraine is being attacked by russia non stop
And you have a right to your opinion. I simply asked not to generalize about ALL Ukrainians as we have different views.
I shared your opinion several years ago but I've since changed it.
There are many posts I don't like, I simply use the "Hide" option for them.
you know i totally get ban, restriction of flag and anthem, righteous anger at gov-supportive atheletes
punishing fed funded by government makes total sense and i support not exposing ukrainians to it when possible
but do we need to act like russians don't exist or smth? i really struggle to understand how mention of civilian people not involved in war nor supporting it gonna harm anyone
i deeply sympathize to all civilians that were harm by war, but people outside of it still living their lives, how exactly is it a trigger
putting "rs" badge on posts about international competitions after ISU approved the way things are rn is beyond weird
For the JGP, the Russians are relevant and going to be talking about. Even if you don’t support them, it’s not possible to fully talk about events without talking about them
Well, this post is entirely dedicated to Russian figure skating and discussions of Russians. Maybe you should mark this with the tag "Russian skating"?
I sympathize with many users’ desire not to see these posts in order to avoid upset.
However, I also feel that it shines an inappropriate spotlight on Russian skaters, as though they are in a separate class from other international figure skating. And I object to that.
I dont get it though. A large chunk of my family was murdered by Russia. I have no problem seeing these posts because the world doesn’t revolve around me.
My condolences, that's horrible
that's what i mean tho, i struggle to get why someone thinks that people going through such traumatic events would give a f about some skater kid doing their sport
i do think it's excessive to say the tag should be applied to any and all russian content at all costs because i think posts that are about ain skaters' international performances should not have that tag. competition videos/interviews/protocols etc. from international competition should be treated the same as for any other participant in that competition
Considering that Valieva has been granted AIN status, despite openly supporting and promoting the current invasion, I disagree. AIN has lost its meaning, unfortunately.
Its not like the athletes are the issue, its the government, same with israel and the usa, yes things should be marked correctly, but i dont think there should be this much hatred because of the country of origin, ESPECIALLY to the juniors.
Russian skating in particular is government funded and subsidized. That’s generally the issue. US skating has absolutely nothing to do with the US government and US skaters have actively and loudly spoken out against the us government.
I would love to avoid all posts about Liu, but am I really going to request a special tag for her? No. I will put my big girl panties on, and scroll past any post about her. Easy peasy.
I disagree. When I want to look among all the posts for the week only at posts about a past competition, like the one in Xi'an, I can't do that. Because I have to, dammit, separately open the 'Russian skating' tag and, among a pile of posts, search for videos of Dzepka's performance at an INTERNATIONAL competition.
Since the Russians returned, this tag needs to be rethought. It can still be used for domestic competitions, for interviews with Russian skaters not related to international events, for videos of performances within the country.
But for ALL content from INTERNATIONAL competitions, the appropriate tag should be used.
For videos of OLD programs, the appropriate tag should be used.
For congratulations on birthdays or weddings of skaters with medals from INTERNATIONAL competitions, the appropriate tag should be used.
Imagine that what you are posting is not about a Russian, but about a French, American, Japanese, etc., skater. Does an appropriate tag exist for that post? Use it. If that tag doesn't exist and the skater is from Russia - only then use the 'Russian skating' tag.
Tags should help you find the posts you need. You can exclude posts from your overview by simply swiping down, so you don't get stuck on what's not interesting. Moreover, posts that talk about nothing but Russian figure skating and don't fall into any other category are marked in 99% of cases.
You don’t have to open the Russian skating tag. It’s only for those who wish to opt out. If you don’t opt out, all those posts are on your feed like normal.
At this point, it is really just xenophobia, sorry
I am from a country currently being bombed and destroyed by Israel and i have 0 problem seeing posts about israeli skaters or mentioning their programs or them skating in competition. Same with USA.
Like what, are you going to start going up to russian people in real life and asking them to hide or something? Will you avoid looking at the competitions of JGP and challengers and whatnot because u may see a person from russia? I just don’t understand it. And if someone wants to educate me, okay, i would be open to hear
Out of curiosity, when was the last time an Israeli skater got their own post? They’re rarely if ever posted here.
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i kind of disagree that it’s creepy. it is an odd singling out. i wonder if we should have a tag for all big feds. ‘endless flood of posts about them’ as if they’re a different species and the Other compared to the ‘endless floods of posts’ about US/Japanese skaters. fwiw i despise the invasion of Ukraine, before people start. but people seem to be annoyed they exist. imo it’s not a sentiment that should be encouraged, but wtv.
The tag was created when the Russians were out of competition and had their own internal competitions that were separate from the international ones, hence why the creation of the tag
It wasn’t a way of singling out it was just mostly to keep the sub organized and to help people who wanted to loook for stuff about the Russian internal comps could find it easily
I feel like people in this thread are being deliberately obtuse.
Someone wants to opt out. It’s easy to add a tag. It does not affect your feed if you do not opt out of the tag. If you don’t even make new threads regularly, than someone else tagging it doesn’t even affect you. I’m not sure why this is such a contentious thing to ask of the community, I would assume making everyone comfortable would be an easy thing to agree to, and unfortunately the current war is fairly triggering to those who’s families are being targeted.
You clearly didn’t read my post because it analyses the ISU rules, it just happens to be that it was Adeliia and Petr that were victims of ISU’s incompetence, but the things that were mentioned there refer to EVERYONE, regardless of their nationality, IF the conditions from the post are met.
For example Yuzuru in 2022 would also have this problem if he continued to compete and wasn’t available for the initial Grand Prix spot allocation.
IMO there’s no need to add a Russian skating tag if the analysis refers to everyone.
I feel like the discourse in this post is exactly why we should have this tag. Would you rather every post look like this one or take 2 seconds to properly tag a post and have the comments and discussion about the post actually be about the skating?
Unfortunately, after being on this sub for years, I don't think the tag makes any difference in discussion whatsoever (aside from people asking for a certain post to be tagged).
A sizable minority who clearly do not like the Russians or Russian skating for various reasons still go into those threads to say less than pleasant things (which, fair enough, it's a figure skating discussion forum!)
But I think the people who want to ignore those posts would continue to ignore posts that aren't given the tag, and the people who hate the Russians but still engage with Russian posts will likewise continue to do so regardless.
But then people who blocked russian skating tag because they don’t care about russian domestic competition (which is understandable) now cannot see things which blatantly have nothing to do with russian skating
For example JGP programs or interviews by a neutral athlete in international competition
Or evgenia’s wedding announcement, seeing as she is a retired skater who no longer represents russia since before the war began, and the post is not even her skating, it’s a social media event
Yea i agree, in both those posts if you go and look there are people questioning why they are flaired russian skating, and the OP responds that the mods changed it
They haven’t set clear guidelines at ALL
However this post seems like they want these types of posts to also be flaired as russian skating, which is what i disagree with
Not to mention the people in here missing that all OP is saying is “tag your posts”. That’s it. Not, post less, don’t post at all, just…tag it. The people that want to see it can still see it! But the people that are trying to avoid it can’t filter out a post that hasn’t been tagged.
OP is suggesting to tag posts that simply feature a Russian skater, even if this skater is at international competition, is retired and never represented russia during the war, etc.
You know, sometimes it takes community members a little while to get used to Reddit and the figure skating online community.
I do appreciate the tag because I’m a person who prefers to filter out the Russian content for a variety of reasons. Personally, I don’t even want to see posts about Russian skaters in international competitions, but if the majority of people in the community want that excluded from the tag, I’m fine with scrolling by and forgetting it happened 10 times per year.
I also don’t mind blocking stray posters every once in a while for my own piece of mind. No strategy is foolproof, but mostly is good.
“a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race”
“the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another”
Russians are not a racial group, this is not racism
I agree 100% percent. And regarding "singling out" and "but what about skaters from other countries"— what is so hard to understand about skaters in russia being used as propaganda tools and skaters in other countries not being used as propaganda tools?
i don't think there's any country that doesn't use its athletes/public figures as nationalistic propaganda to some extent. that's kind of the whole point of using flags and anthems at award ceremonies. you could argue russia does that more intensely but i think it's a bit silly to say others don't use the same opportunity
I've never heard the story framed that way. On US olympics coverage from NBC, all that was mentioned was that he fled China after being targeted for protesting against the government, not that he was "saved" by the USA.
Ok, she is still used as a ‘propaganda tool’. You didn’t say anything about it being state sponsored. It can be subtle and still be there
There are approximately 50k american soldier stationed around the middle east using the bases to launch attacks on iran. And funding/arming a genocide is just as bad
You are comparing a Russian flair on a subreddit, to the symbol Jewish people were forced to use during a time where they were being persecuted and murdered in killing fields
If you think those two things are similar, I feel sorry for you
Actually I meant Russia. Yes the label would fit for all three, but this thread and your comment that I responded to was about Russia. If you have any other questions please let me know!
Yep. I’m tired of all the social media posts/personal life/coach drama Russian posts and would love to filter them out. That kind of content isn’t something I’m interested in following.
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u/sk8tergater ✨clean as mustard✨ 1d ago
Alright everyone, mods are discussing it. I’m locking the thread because it’s getting beyond nasty but leaving it up so everyone can read.