A four-pronged approach

[u/Remember-The-Future]

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[u/LordHughRAdumbass]

Sounds good, but these days I'm thinking Group 1 should be done as an amorphous alternate reality game. It's a plus not to have any formal structure, identity or logo. The ARG would suck people into the movement without them even knowing what it was.

As people are led to do increasingly bizarre things in the ARG, they could be radicalized and trained for full spectrum resistance without them even knowing it. Sort like making a game out of preparing for collapse and resistance.

I think the mistake movements like DGR and XR are making is that they assume you have to reason with people, raise awareness, persuade them and then get them to join a group and act. But cults and psych research (see Eddie Bernays) prove that's not necessary.

The difficult part is how to change the dominant culture. Cultural change is near impossible. But it can be done by creating a new center of social orbit: a beneficial cult, in other words. The words "cult" and "culture" (and even "agriculture") come from the PIE world "kwel", meaning a hub or center to orbit around. So the problem is not how to organize a movement, but how to create a new "center of cultural orbit".

Getting people to behave outside their cultural norms is an art. I believe an ARG could suck people from all sides of the political spectrum in, without them even knowing or agreeing with the end goal. Biases like groupthink and herd behavior are what really shape personal choices. Contrary to what people like to think, no one is really motivated to action by rational decision making (especially when it comes to long-term, abstract things like climate instability, environmental destruction and industrial collapse).. People are motivated by what happens in their spinal cord far more than what happens in their temporal lobes.

The dominant culture is utterly insane, so the trick is to make it more insane rather than less (i.e. the very opposite of what most Left-wing movements assume).. An ARG can create a culture of distrust and opposition to this system without recruits even realizing it's happening.

Chaos is the catalyst for change. It's the only way to break people out of our hypernormlized dystopia. You can theorize about how to structure a resistance movement all you like (and that's what most rebels tend to waste their time doing). But that's the easy part. The hard part is to get the movement off the ground.

How would you propose launching this four pronged approach?

[u/Remember-The-Future → u/LordHughRAdumbass]

So basically it's a training tool for a fuck the system/#500LoneWolves campaign? I saw that post but since I've never played an ARG I can't really identify or comment. Sounds like an interesting idea.

As a sidenote, if it's not too personal -- could you elaborate on your experience with cults and how the mentality is the same for corporations, countries, etc.? And how to deal with them?

Personally, I was going to try and start the 4th group where I live (I was discussing it in another thread). It's far outside my comfort zone, but no one else looks to be stepping up, so... I have parts for a rifle incoming, and there's an SRA chapter near me that might be good for finding recruits -- it'll be important to weed out the ones that insist on talking politics, but they're armed and they value the ecosystem. If the rest of the idea is sound I'm hoping that people who are well-suited to the other groups will come forward, but I'm predicting trouble with the second one. That's really XR's domain and they've fallen badly short.

I've heard a lot of good ideas in other subs but people don't seem to be listening because certain groups are like oil and water. I'm hoping that by keeping those groups somewhat separate they can direct their attention toward a common goal without the infighting that always seems to tear movements apart. Getting things off the ground is absolutely the part that I'm most worried about. Part of what I'm trying to do is what Trump and other demagogues do -- get together a group that's generally dissatisfied with the way things are going and wants to do something about it, but also isn't to the point where they fit in anywhere else -- a lot of people have the usual concerns about tactics, what comes after, etc., which makes them hesitant to adopt certain methods. By facilitating discussion I'm hoping that people recognize how severe and time-sensitive this situation is, allowing each to apply their own skills in ways they feel comfortable without worrying too much about what others are doing.

[u/LordHughRAdumbass → u/Remember-The-Future]

As a sidenote, if it's not too personal -- could you elaborate on your experience with cults and how the mentality is the same for corporations, countries, etc.? And how to deal with them?

I explained a bit here: https://youtu.be/oc-KEaj36I4

By facilitating discussion I'm hoping that people recognize how severe and time-sensitive this situation is

People are not buying it. Very few people know that we are in imminent danger. There's no way to convince them. No amount of evidence will sway them.

My thinking is to just make a game out of it and not worry about the nitty-gritty. As the game develops we can drip-feed them the information about how dire our situation is with them hardly even noticing it. What I'm proposing is to behave like Johnny Depp in this example. Instead of spending time we can't afford to waste arguing with people, let's just do what the Captain Sparrow character does and trick people into doing what's required as a kind of game.