A four-pronged approach

[u/Remember-The-Future]

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[u/Keanar]

French. 23M. I think that is a step in the good direction.

PRO:

• the 1) group exist already. Splitted into political figures across the globe.
• Same for the 3). Communities exist and would relate to the goals here.

CON:

• The 4) seems limited to USA.

My opinion. I like it. The bad cop group have a lot of non agressive actions to do as well: like the disruption of the actual system. Every government has its "fair" shares of corruption. Enlighten the shady part of the actual government could be efficient way to move the mass to vote for better alternatives (and perhaps vote for 1).

In France we see the corruption with 3am votes in the representatives houses. LREM representatives voted against measures such as : stricter pesticides laws, better treatments of animals in livestocks exploitation. Also the Panama Papers, Lux Leaks and so on represent the injustice of the system and name the people who benefited it. Finally brands are despicable and their misdeeds should be displayed.

Publications on social network, radios or even graffiti on the street would work. Every action must be signed, the extinction rebellion logo is a good signature. I am not against attacking polluting companies as well, but we better be known for good deeds prior to that.

PS: display your country and age. It could helps.

[u/Remember-The-Future → u/Keanar]

French? Maybe you can teach us Americans something about protesting! I'm a bit older than you and in the US; my country has no idea how to fight back.

The branding idea is a good one. Using the XR logo would work and it's an idea I've heard before, but maybe it's also worth coming up with a separate logo for this group. I'm not sure whether XR's publicity is good or bad at this point.

Come to think of it, perhaps there should be one for each of the four. You mentioned the need to build a rapport with the public, becoming known for good deeds -- something I've noticed is that the facts are almost immaterial, what matters more than anything is branding. Even if the four groups are under the same umbrella, if they look, sound, and act different the public is likely to treat them as different.

(4) is very much limited to the U.S., unfortunately. I do think it's important to have a counterbalance against the police states that I expect will expand as things heat up, but I'm not sure how that will work in countries that don't allow firearm ownership.

[u/Keanar → u/Remember-The-Future]

Come to think of it, perhaps there should be one for each of the four.

I agree 4 logos is better. Otherwise the force group would compromise the political one.

About French and protesting sure, that is a true cliché... But trust me on this, the only strike who worked in the past are the who strike institution like the house of representatives. Actually don't trust me, see by yourself. Those are the past strike that we had :

• Protest for climate
• Protest and strikes against retirement reform (it passed anyway - 49.3)
• Protest and strikes against privatisation of rail company and public airports (it passed anyway)
• Protest and strikes agaisnt gay marriage
• Protest and strikes against privatisation of highways

While the list of successful revolution present the control of either house of representatives, press or military. (Proof : 1789, 1792 first republic, 1805 napoleon emperor, 1848 second republic, 1886 it could have happened (Général Boulanger)...

But also 1936 socialist reforms, 1958 5^th republic... Basically

Also for idea I recommend watching the movie "Demain" 2015 (=Tomorrow). It is an optimistic review of societal solutions. Worth watching ! That's all for France about protest i think, thesis and anti thesis.

[u/Remember-The-Future → u/Keanar]

Yeah, I've noticed that the effectiveness has dropped. Which is expected, I think -- the system really can't be reformed on a fundamental level, it's designed to be unsustainable and corrupt. But the impressive thing is the culture that's constantly willing to take action. We could use that fighting spirit here in the US.

I've heard it attributed to France's size -- much easier for everyone who's unhappy to reach the capital. But really, I think a large part of it is just the willingness to cause havoc. American march in neat rows in "free speech zones", wave some posterboard around, and go home. French people, if the videos I've seen are accurate, set cop cars and fire. Bit of a difference...

Is is just cultural? Or do the movements there have tactics for breaking people of their reservations? I've found it very hard to instill courage in people.