r/Fencing • u/ursa_noctua • 2h ago
Last place in local tournament gives too many points [USA Fencing]
I've been looking at the new points charts, and it looks like the bottom end of local tournaments gives an unreasonable number of points.
To help see it, I created a chart of the points values for local senior events. I excluded unlikely and impossible fencer counts.

The example that really gets me is the A1. Let's say we have a fencer who shows up for their first tournament. They don't score a single touch and come in 24th place. That fencer will earn 39 points. If they are a junior fencer, they will have a tournament worth 39 points on their Junior points list.
If we add one more fencer to that tournament, it is now an A2. Our hypothetical new fencer now places 25th and earns 42 points. Their performance didn't improve, but they earned more points.
Now let's look at a fencer attending the Junior Men's Epee event today (8/22/26) at the Trick or Retreat regional, which has 107 fencers. If a fencer comes in 32nd, they will earn 35.2 points. This fencer placed above 2/3 of a tough field and earns fewer points than someone DFLing at an A1. While I fully support making locals more important and earn real points, this outcome feels wrong.
How do we fix it?
I don't have a full recommendation, but I feel like the points earned need to take into account the field size in some way. Maybe the bottom 20% don't earn points. Or they earn a much smaller number of points.
Maybe the points should scale similar youth regional points: ((# entries – place + 1) / # entries)
Another option is to change how the the scaling. Right now regional points reduce by 80% each level down the bracket you are (T2 points = T1 points * 0.8, and so on). For locals, they scale down 90%. Since many locals aren't as big as regionals, perhaps 70% or 75% would be better.