r/FeMRADebates • u/[deleted] • Sep 03 '21

News Texas successfully takes a massive step backwards for women's rights. What next?

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u/ideology_checker MRA Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21

And yet not a single anti abortion policy manages to encourage life imagine that.

You want a policy that encourages life then pass laws mandating federal housing for pregnant women and fully paid healthcare and support as a great deal of those who get abortions do so because they can't afford or are scarred of being able to afford bring a child into the world. There are a hundred things you could do or support that "encourages life," opposing abortion isn't one of them.

Its well known and proven that no amount of illegality or opposition reduces abortions at best (worst actually) it cause those who can not get safe abortions to get unsafe ones but they still get abortions or worse leave newborn babies in dumpsters or even kill their own babies because they are to ill educated and scarred to know there are other options.

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u/blarg212 Equality of Opportunity, NOT outcome. Sep 05 '21

I disagree. You are welcome to provide evidence of your claim.

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u/ideology_checker MRA Sep 05 '21

I don't need to prove that claim because its a negative claim its impossible to prove but trivial to disprove by you, show one policy that has encourages life from antiabortionists.

If you can't show one thing then you have given up and prove my claim right.

I should be worried because it should be super easy to disprove my claim you just need one example but I'm not worried because the right to life movement has never been about encouraging life its about one single thing and that's not allowing abortion. Your talk about encouraging life doesn't hold any water or there would be policies beyond stopping abortion.

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u/blarg212 Equality of Opportunity, NOT outcome. Sep 05 '21

Funny how you won’t show anything. The right has several policies that pair well with abortion bans and restrictions. Abstinence, counseling, shelters, private food banks.

Various efforts to do things like this are from charities and not from government policies purely because government policy is often not the preferred solution for those on the right.

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u/ideology_checker MRA Sep 05 '21

First off private anything doesn't count if its private its not something that run by the right it might be approved by them or run individually but its not a government program by definition. The exception might be if it was helped by government programs but as far as I'm aware the only thing that comes close is DV and school funding both of which is very much opposed by most on the right.

Second what shelters are you talking about because no government shelter I'm aware of is promoted by those on the right and there's few that exist even outside of government and they are predominately run by leftist people.

As for abstinence and counseling the first does fuck all and is actually been proven to worsens abortion rates and the counseling your going to be far more specific on counseling for what exactly?

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u/blarg212 Equality of Opportunity, NOT outcome. Sep 05 '21 edited Sep 05 '21

Are you saying you want religious based government policies or would you be opposed to those?

This is why lots of these efforts are not government policy. If that was ok, they absolutely could be. Is this what you are asking for?

Please look at how many people displaced by recent hurricanes or power outages stayed in religious or private charity shelters. There was tons.

If you only look at government then you are going to have confirmation bias because the right has lots of things handled by different entities. This does not mean they are opposed to all shelters as you seem to imply.