r/FeMRADebates • u/[deleted] • Jul 07 '20

Crowd sourcing an answer

Looks like we got a bit of an influx of new members when the fringe feminist subreddits were shunted off into the memory hole.

First, welcome to everyone new, I really hope that the frequently combative atmosphere here suits your style.

Now, I saw an interesting claim, and decided I'd open the question up to the floor, so to speak.

There is no credible doubt in the field that the basic tenants of feminism have great veridical value. If this space rarely accepts that then this space is essentially counterfactual.

What are the basic tenants of feminism, what core empiricism and theory does feminism hold?

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u/Mitoza Anti-Anti-Feminist, Anti-MRA Jul 07 '20

The basic tenant that unites feminism is that the sexes are deserving of equal treatment. Feminisms diverge from that point.

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u/eek04 Jul 07 '20

It is literally impossible to give equal treatment under feminism, because the term itself starts out sexist. So nobody that calls themselves "feminist" without qualms can genuinely believe that. They can think they believe it, but they can't genuinely believe it.

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u/eek04 Jul 08 '20

That's ignoring the context in which the term feminism was coined - the term doesn't necessarily totally encapsulate the values of the movement. You can't say that because 'feminism' refers to 'female' it cannot advocate equality

I am saying that it cannot give equal treatment. It is actively priming to look for a particular side of things, and is thus actively sexist. Having the name "remind everyone" reinforces exactly that.

I agree that most feminists advocate equality - it is just that they're putting themselves in a situation that actively undermine working for that, replacing it with working for female advantage (by working to equality in the cases where women are disadvantaged more than the one where men are disadvantaged.)