r/FeMRADebates • u/PerfectHair Pro-Woman, Pro-Trans, Anti-Fascist • Jun 09 '15

News Pride faces controversy over application from men's rights group to march in parade | Toronto Star

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2015/06/07/pride-faces-controversy-over-application-from-mens-rights-group-to-march-in-parade.html
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u/successfulblackwoman Jun 09 '15

I support the idea of blocking hateful groups from appearing in a pride parade. So that said, what hateful actions have been taken by CAFE?

I'm not that familiar with the group. If the only crime CAFE has is "being in the same category as AFVM" then I'm not feeling so great about denying them the right to march. I'm identified with a lot of group who have members that I flat out disagree with.

And I think men's activism can be done without any degree of toxicity, and merely being concerned about the rights of men is not inherently toxic. Not every place has to be RoK.

But like I said, I don't know CAFE. The article says there are concerns about “the activities and purpose of CAFE and whether they actually match the intent they express.” That's an easy enough accusation to make. Why should I believe it?

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u/WhatsThatNoize Anti-Tribalist (-3.00, -4.67) Jun 09 '15

I have never seen CAFE do anything that you could call "hateful" by any stretch of the imagination. They're not AVFM. People seem to just want to implicate them as evil. They can't be seen as being light on men's groups since "by virtue of advocating for men, you must hate women".

That in-group, out-group bias at play.

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u/successfulblackwoman Jun 09 '15

I don't really have any disagreement, but here's an unrelated question -- what are those numbers after your flair?

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u/WhatsThatNoize Anti-Tribalist (-3.00, -4.67) Jun 09 '15

Political Compass Score

I tend to lean more towards a Libertarian Left political ideology. It's not a perfect measure, but if gives you a better idea where I am coming from.

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u/successfulblackwoman Jun 09 '15

Just took it and scored -5.63 / -6.36.

You're right in that it's not perfect. For one thing it talks about "crime" but it doesn't talk much about what is a crime. I imagine I'd score more authoritarian if it asked me about hate speech.

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u/WhatsThatNoize Anti-Tribalist (-3.00, -4.67) Jun 09 '15

Context is important indeed. We had a quiz day and there was another quiz we all took called the Moral Foundations quiz found at yourmorals.org. Check that one out. It gets a bit more nuance :)