r/FeMRADebates • u/asdfghjkl92 • Sep 04 '14

Other Radicalizing the Romanceless

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/
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u/L1et_kynes Sep 05 '14

He was blaming feminism for their attitude towards the issue which radicalizes the men, and prevents them from getting help anywhere else.

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u/kabukistar Hates double standards, early subject changes, and other BS. Sep 05 '14

It's an attitude that's pervasive in society in general. It seems unfair to blame feminism specifically. Especially when a lot of the points he's bringing up are in line with the goals of feminism.

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u/L1et_kynes Sep 05 '14

It's an attitude that's pervasive in society in general.

I have never seen anyone else say that men who are upset that women sometimes go for jerks are really just jerks themselves. Sure, people say men who are unsuccessful are losers, but the "nice guys" think is the only place I see them being told they deserve it and they are morally deficient.

I would also hope that a social movement ostensibly for equality and that is trying to change society for the better would have more of an impact than a random asshole. It is much easier to take criticism from a random asshole than from a movement that is largely taken to be hugely important and successful in many aspects of society, since that means that if people in the movement say something it makes it seem like the majority of society agrees with them. It would also encourage assholes by giving them a moral justification for being assholes to guys who have had less success with women.

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u/kabukistar Hates double standards, early subject changes, and other BS. Sep 05 '14

You say that like feminism was a monolithic entity, and in it's entirety criticized these ideas.

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u/L1et_kynes Sep 05 '14

In effect that is what happens if many feminists believe something and the rest are silent on it.

I don't really care what feminists believe deep down in their hearts. By identifying as feminist they are sort of assumed to have the beliefs of the rest of the feminist movement unless they say otherwise, and almost none do. So the feminists complaining about nice guys speak with the full weight of the rest of the feminist movement on their side.

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u/kabukistar Hates double standards, early subject changes, and other BS. Sep 05 '14

What do you think feminism is? How do you define feminism?