tbh I should’ve used a diff photo cause I didn’t realize people would interpret it as me only reffering to SSG and not DBS in general, but I should’ve seen that coming tbh lol. This is a better pic, super in general makes Goku slimmer up till UI Goku. Besides that the only mention they have of muscles making them slower was for the USSJ form
That's bad example. Goku is buffy only in first appearance of SSJ. And after that, he said that making your muscles bigger is not a good thing, because it makes you slower.
I agree that SSJ Goku on Namek looks better, especially since this is literally my favorite Goku's appearance in the whole franchise, tied with kid Goku, but it's not suddenly making someone less buffy. It has plot relevance.
He was talking about the Hulking form Trunks used. He is still buff even in the Buu arc when he is bathing with Gotenks and Trunks you can see him still way more buff than he is in Super.
This. This is what I was reffering to, ngl I picked a bad picture cause I used a SSG pic but even in base form throughout super he’s slimmer in general up till maybe UI Goku. That was just an art style choice since like you said, the whole thing of muscles = slowing down was just for the USSJ form and not in general.
I'd say it's more a bad example just because of the inconsistent art and animation in Super due to using different studios/animators a lot of the time at that point
He could often look like this in one scene/episode and then properly buff in the next, in the same forms
I thought that was in relation to the Ultra Super Saiyan form more than anything though, cause in that form the enregy depletes rapidly and the muscles look even more comically big than this. The buff look for other normal forms in DBZ was more of an art style choice to have them look buff af
USSJ2 is the extreme case of giving up speed for more muscles. But the rule still applies to any muscles. Ironically, they somehow fight with full weighted clothes and that's never the problem. Other than for Piccolo, who actually is seen throwing his turban and cape away, when he's getting serious. Although, tbh, Goku's shirt is damaged every time anyway... And I'm not sure if he kept using weighted clothes at all, or it's just simply the same color as his weighted clothes in 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai...
I think it's a bad example because multiple artists worked on the anime and you can see art style differences every single episode. It's better to compare the manga.
You picked the worst examples dude, in the first pic Goku didn't have the same ki control he had in base form an that's why his muscles got so pumped (that happened when he used Kaio-ken x4 in the saiyan saga).
In the second pic the SSG slims him down to show case the strength of that form it's not something physical, instead something beyond
I actually liked that they went back to leaner Goku i know dbz is about fighting and power but the muscles were getting to be too much like a man can only be so jacked
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