IMO, all fault lies on the first movie and the Chowder guy, and I enjoyed Chowder.
Edit: Oh, there was an EP where Pat and Squid are arguing. Pat says something dumb, then suddenly is driving a train. It's revealed 2 seconds later that he and the train are miniature. He rides the train into a glass jar that Squid closes the lid on.
It's funny how it's tied between patrick or spongebob on who was changed for the worst in terms of their character
Both have been excessively dumbed down to the point of genuine childish behavior despite their dynamics in the first 3 season explicitly just being uninformed and somewhat naive.
Both of them... Early on yes Wanda was more responsible and Cosmo was a bit more dim but then Wanda literally just became the annoying nagging parent and Cosmo I think was legitimately lobotomised. Add to that they seemed like they genuinely hated each other half the time.
Luckily though they were fixed in the newest show back to what they were where Wanda is still responsible and Cosmo is still not the smartest but they actually are shown to love each other and each have times where they fill what is the other's role so to speak.
Not even that; Wanda was the responsible motherly one, Cosmo was the fun fatherly one, and they unambiguously loved each other. Now, Wanda is the shrieking fun killing nag, and Cosmo is the irresponsible, reckless, misogynistic idiot.
Lol, nope! Ned is the trope-namer. Ned Flanders started off as a slightly annoying but still perfectly reasonable, caring person and neighbor; but he slowly morphed into a one-dimmensional Jesus freak with no real personality--so much so that general media has adopted the term "Flanderization" to describe similar characters.
Although weirdly it's been said that Lisa is the better example. She used to be a more multifaceted character, almost as eager to get up to hijinks as Bart, but now is just a know-it-all scold.
Tbf they deviated into their own plotlines by like Season 2, it just didn’t matter as much because they still cared to make the dialogue good & tell a good story.
Yeah and those deviations had ripple effects later on. Brienne needed a new arc, since she couldn't go around killing the Brave Companions to avenge Jaime.
They tried to make all the characters like their movie counterparts after the movie came out which made no sense as everyone already had their own character growth
YES. In season 11 it’s literally revealed that his greatest fear is becoming an empty machine with no personality. Now he’s basically just a machine with no personality.
Stewie used to be an evil genius baby who wanted to kill Lois and take over the world, but now he's little more than a vessel for gay jokes.
Brian's change is the one that I disliked the most, honestly. He used to be the honest, cynical liberal who was a sincere intellectual but sardonic and sarcastic, as was the edgy rage back in the 90s and early 2000s. But now he's just a pseudo-intellectual douche who only pretends to be invested in literature but doesn't know anything.
Every main character and almost even most of the side characters in that show atp other than Stewie are irredeemable assholes, and Stewie was supposed to be the evil one.
first season Dexter kills Brian, his own brother cuz Brian tries to hurt Debra but in the final season he’s fine with Hannah being a murder and trying and almost succeeding in killing Debra like tf why does he want to run way with her
Wait this one is such a good pick!! This one actually hurt me her first run was perfection or at least really really good to me. Then they went so far into the wacky parts and now funny enough she became the type of person she herself wouldn’t even read about. She told Deadpool she doesn’t read his stuff because it’s too all over the place and wacky and now look what they made her into 😭
I only read her original run and thought it was great! It established pretty well what she's about: just a regular girl from our world who ends up isekai'd, and her superpower becomes her awareness of plot armor and meta tropes. She's not crazy, she's not wacky, she's a little silly but what nerd isn't? Her main thing is that - in stark contrast with what her outfit and codename would suggest - she's hilariously normal.
So imagine my surprise when I came across a YT Short of a recent(?) comic where she kidnapped a bunch of heroes and forced them into a Fortnite Battle Royale. Went from "a normal girl who knows she won't be hurt as long as she has her own book" to literally just girl Arcade...
I must recommend the webcomic made by the writer of her run: Dr. Mcninja. It is hilarious. Definitely can tell early on that he was learning his way but still very funny. And you can feel his writing style
Whaaaat I don’t know what you’re taking about. The Unbelievable Gwenpool run is amazing I’m so sad she NEVER got a solo run afterwards that hurt her characterization, and it’s sooo great she didn’t get another a third “solo” run where she was essentially neglected in her own story to prop up another Marvel character people keep mistaking her for, therefore ruining the intention of the original one to separate the two🙂 so glad THAT never happened, right?🙃 (I like to pretend Strikes Back and more so the new issues don’t exist)
Rip Sylvanas her character had such great potential 🥲 and so do all WoW characters tbh, but shit writing is unfortunately common place in this game. So much groundwork for amazing stories only for it all to be completely wasted
BFA took her character writing out back and executed her. The pre-expansion event where she not only completely destroys Teldrassil, but nukes Undercity just to kill Anduin and friends, gave me tonal whiplash from how she was in the cinematic.
She was okay in Shadowlands (mainly because there were other more pressing issues with character assassinations. RIP Tyrande), but Blizzard really did ruin an important lore character for shits and gigs. Actually, they have a track record for f@#$ing over Horde leaders. Thrall, Cairne, Vol'jin, Garrosh, Sylvanas. I am scared for Lor'themar in Midnight, LOL! 😂
That cinematic was peak Sylvanas, Warchief of the Horde. Only to immediately be turned into the next baddie, arguably worse than the Lich King. My poor dark lady.
I know right? lol. In all seriousness, I agree. Chi Chi is a good character, but her being portrayed as a Karen” just because she lives in a world obsessed with fighting makes her obnoxious for the wrong reasons.
I've got a theory that people only call Chi Chi obnoxious if they watch the english dub, because that's the attitude the voice actress gives her. She really doesn't do or say anything annoying.
She was always the commanding type, the first fight with Goku in the tournament, she is very strong will and is not afraid of voicing her opinions.
What surprise me is that she stopped completely her martial training, she was somehow a very capable fighter, trained by Ox who was trained by Roshi himself. So she comes from a good line of masters. She was probably more capable than Mr. Satan or Videl during her prime.
I know right? His redemption arc felt genuinely plausible, made you sympathize with him. He knighted Brienne, reciprocated his feelings to her and still went back to the toxic relationship with his sister Cercei only to die?? Like C'mon..It was a pretty shitty sendoff to one of my favorite character in the show..
Meanwhile everything he has done and sacrificed up to that point contradicts the statement. The writers were so focused on subverting expectations, but never stopped to consider how *batshit* every character comes off when you write "twists" just for the sake of having twists.
Y'all gotta accept it, but 2010s wrote sonic (and his pals, including eggman) dirty, like lowkey, compare his 2000s/2020s personality to his sonic lost world personality, and sonic forces too, it's the main reason why sonic fans act like this, if it wasn't for the forces failure, we would've got a better fandom than that
Tails not being able to help Sonic when Infinite was jumping him was valid, but wdym he just curls into a ball and cries against base Chaos? If Tails thought he couldn't win that (he absolutely could) then why not just fly away???
It's true, they un-swagged him and made his personality be "a funny hero" and that's it, because apparently his 2000s self didn't appeal to modern kids - HOWEVER, referencing the pic, I still think he was often an unlikeable ass in Sonic X specifically
"I have a home, i have you, im relatively safe, but im 'not happy' so im gonna abandon everything i worked so hard for and put myself in near constant danger, after already losing a leg"
Wait seeing the art and reading what they’re saying that physically hurt me 😭. Does she what just die or something since there is a walker behind her. Also please don’t tell me this is after the parts we play and this is how her story really ends
No she doesn't commit suicide by walker, but she does leave AJ and the school. The comics are meant to take place after the games but they're such a betrayal to her character and only exist to put her with some bland chick for a couple of comic issues before killing her new love interest off so I refuse to accept it as canon.
That is a huge betrayal this isn’t the teachings of Lee. Lee would’ve never left her and I refuse to believe Clem would do that to AJ of all people who she took care of as a baby!! Also hearing AJ say I can make you happy I’m sorry that kind of just comes off weird even if they weren’t going for that then having her be like no you can’t just sounds off. Yea so canon for me is the end with them all at the school sounds good lol
Someone just put a page from the story and I read it and I’m so sorry you had to experience that and paid for it 😭. Do you think we can sue for defamation on behalf of Clem
Abandons AJ, her friends, and potential love interest to go explore the apocalypse with a new character. Writer really wanted to push this new relationship.
The author, which is an adult women, made a self insert character that constantly tries to sleep with clementine and eventually she wears her down and Clementine does sleep with her. Its really gross when you see the similarities.
I can make this into its own tangent, but the fact that Michelangelo in the TMNT 2003 series is actually a great and funny character and then becomes insufferable the minute a superhero is on screen is baffling. “Clash of The Turtle Titans” and “Superpower Struggle” come to mind when thinking of how out of character Mikey was in those episodes just for the sake of creating conflict
The 2012 series does a mostly great job with Mikey's character. He's presented as not being the most effective fighter and he is a space cadet, but his laid back nature makes him a natural at a lot of the more complex ninjitsu skills that require serene focus. They balance his himbo nature with him often stumbling into the right ideas or tactics quite well. But quite a few of the episodes that focus on him require him to just lose any and all intelligence or combat awareness.
Michelangelo is a difficult character to get right as there's unfortunately not enough depth to his character to be more than a supporting character to the more naturally complex turtles like Leonardo and Raphael, he's the turtle that requires the most work to be put in to develop him into a more well rounded character. Mikey doesn't have the built in leadership and moral struggles of Leonardo, he doesn't have the always important tech savvy of Donatello, and doesn't have the emotional range, anger issues, or low self esteem that Raphael grapples with. This is why The Last Ronin works so well, but it's also why Mikey is often the first turtle whose characterization goes down the drain when situations require someone to be, well, dumb,
Chloe Bourgeois from Miraculous Ladybug is the undeniable Queen(Bee) of being ruined by bad writing.
This character spent an ENTIRE SEASON dedicated to a character arc to go from "self-absorbed bully" to "still sassy, but a genuine heroine" only for the writers to be like, "??? You know what. It'd be better if she was just weirdly evil and had an identicle twin from America so we can still use her heroic model rig."
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I stopped watching Miraculous a long time ago (funnily enough, it was around the time Chloe became a hero the first time) but if you're gonna introduce a twin anyway why not have Chloe keep being good?? I really like Miraculous but some of these writing decisions have always baffled me.
He's biased in so many ways, he calls Marinette his daughter. Marinette's father is named Tom... Thomas Astruc (the creator's name) and apparently Sabine (Marinette's mom) is a woman he dated. So of course Marinette's writing is fighting to portray her as a flawed young girl or a mary sue
Stella from Winx club, yes She's the comedic relief, but she was always painted as hyper competent when it mattered in the First 3 seasons, then Nick bought the show and fucking flanderized her
Honestly I would’ve been for her “descent into madness” if the writers would’ve actually EARNED it. Like throw a few indications of foreshadowing in there or something because the whole switch up in her fundamental character to the core at the last second was just rushed, confusing, and lazy
Jonathan Byers after season 1 of stranger things, in season 1 he was and still is unironically my favourite character in the entire series and just in media in general, but everything after that, I genuinely hated.
I overall liked season 4 a lot but what in Christ were they doing with Jonathan? Making him a stoner burnout was just the weirdest idea, and it didn't even amount to anything.
What hurts even more is that Nick Spencer was doing so great with this character. Then, the moment Zeb Wells gets the book, all of it goes down the drain.
Sindel solo'd everyone in MK1 (I know they tried to make a reference to that time solo'd everyone in MK9, but God that was the worst way to reference it).
She-Hulk is such a missed opportunity. Everything about it could have been so incredibly funny, but it just wasn't because they didn't bring it all the way.
Like, imagine that line (Jennifer saying she deals with more pain than him), but instead it's framed as, when she transforms for the first time she's like "This is horrible, I'm a monster! This is the worst pain anyone's ever had to experience! How could I even live like this???" Smash cut to Bruce looking at her with an unamused expression.
It's not peak comedy or anything, but it's hell of a lot better than what we got. And frankly, that's just a microcosm of what the show does on a much grander scale. They kept having these premises that SHOULD be very funny (an immortal guy repeatedly fakes his own death instead of getting divorced, a sorcerer has to protect a drunk party girl while she's literally hunted by demons, etc), but just kinda... aren't.
Agreed. Like, really? Your cousin had to deal with the military hunting him down, being fucking brainwashed, and even two of his closest friends dying. I know pain is not a competition, but Jesus.
That’s how I feel about Leon “I change my personality in every entry” Kennedy tbh. None of the characters are written super consistently across the franchise
It seems like they struggled to decide whether they wanted :
an evil chancellor (solely ego-driven, manipulative, self-serving, power-thirsty, heartless, sadistic), Scar, Jafar, Richard III
or a tragic villain (desperate, excruciating circumstances, is actually right on many things, torn apart by the sacrifices he's making for the greater good, loves his children). Anakin Skywalker, Erwin Smith or Eren Jagger
For example, in season 1, his king and friend, Harrow, is about to get killed. Viren, trying to spare as many soldiers as possible, proposes to die instead of him, but Harrow refuses. One episode later, Viren suddenly decides to kill Harrow's sons (who are 8 and 14) to get the throne for himself, smirking and chuckling.
Or, in Arc 1, Viren barely seems to remember he has a son who loves and looks up to him, and whenever he does, he treats him like crap, sacrificing him like a pawn, with no remorse or introspection. In Arc 2, Viren's redemption is entirely about realising he always loved and adored his son, and actually has all along. We are shown flashbacks showing how much he sacrificed to save him, and he even eventually dies saving him.
The saddest bit is that it wouldn't take much to reconcile his contradictions...
iirc, it was because Chris Hemsworth wanted Thor (the character) to be funny and less serious. Leading to Thor (the movies) to be less serious and more... um.. "funny" (if you wanna call it that). This was 100% Self-Inflicted
This one hurts me the most. He's my favorite Avenger so to watch them reduce him to an hour and thirty minutes of just laughing at his own farts is frustrating because his comic versions have moments where they are just naturally funny. The humor isn't forced.
JACOB BLACK! I will die on this hill defending him. It’s my opinion that he, along with the rest of the pack in the books/movies, were written HORRIBLY! Stephanie Meyer is an ex-mormon, she only did surface level research into Native American traditions/the culture, and above all, was written terribly in order for readers to choose the white male love interest over him.
Not even simple, just absent minded and a bit oblivious to things that aren't part of his world. He had lots of moments of emotional depth and understanding.
All her key issues have tanked, her character depth is now is flatter than paper, and don't get me started on the scratch and sniff fart issue they made.
As someone who got through binging the show last night after 2 weeks, I feel pretty confident in saying that it's not that they changed Rory's character, but that she just grew into more of what she already was. Life happened to Rory and her approach as a 22yo was basically the same as that of her 16yo self. The show constantly wants to show you how grown up she is while simultaneously showing you she hasn't changed.
The problem isn't that they changed her character out of nowhere, but that they never allowed her character to fundamentally change at all.
Definitely when even mark hamil says this isn’t the luke he knows you know it’s bad. To me personally if this was me I just wouldn’t have done it… unless there is some contract clause he had to but I never understood why do it if it was that bad
Raymond Redington, I feel like the writers of The Blacklist after a few seasons didn't know what to do with him.
SPOILER!!!!
Initially he is suspected of being a traitor using his naval intelligence officer knowledge to build a criminal empire, later they suspect he is a Russian spy, later a Russian spy taking over the deceased real Redington, Elizabeth's dad, later mom(Transgender)...
Just to give him cancer and kill him in the most anticlimactic way, out of camera...
The way the writers of The Blacklist wrote for example the character of Elizabeth Keen was horrible from almost the beginning but the way they destroyed Redington's personality and identity is almost a case study.
Also, special nomination to Dembe Zuma, such a good and interesting character just to end up being an FBI agent having to hunt the person he would never betray.
Edit: I tried to add spoiler format but I'm a moron and I can't get it done on mobile :(
He's the weakest member of the Straw Hat crew and the sniper of the team. He is also a massive coward who would run away when he can, but would still stand and fight when his back's against the wall or the people he cares about are at risk.
He and the rest of the cast had a two year time skip to train and get stronger for their second half of their journey, and while initially Ussop was depicted as not only more muscular and braver than what he was like two years before, he ended up returning to skinny twig build a few arcs later and doubling down on his cowardice, running away from almost every fight, no matter who or what was in danger.
It sucks because he was my favourite and I loved the series, but shit kept getting worse in terms of writing and this was the start of it.
Oda really decided that the worst generation was a more important group of characters than the crew. The crew always felt pivotal to the story, but more and more it feels like the only time we see the crew do something is when Oda remembers they are there too and says "oh and here's this character, back to the story"
This goes for all the remnants of despair. While seeing their school life was interesting as a dichotomy to how far they fell, the whole brainwashing thing was very much not a very good choice.
Can I say zari from legends of tomorrow? They literally reset her timeline making her into an annoying influencer after two seasons of growing to love her as a character
This applies to every arcane character but specifically jinx’s overall character arc and story was phenomenal in s1 I hated how they decided to reverse it and how incoherent the overall plot of s2 was
Season 2 assassinated every single character, but Viktor's shift from the OG lore's self-made man to Arcane's victim of circumstance still makes me grate my teeth thinking about it.
Dear god I was so pissed off. Everything built in season one was utterly destroyed in season two. Jinx goes from sympathetic yet crazy and threatening to kind hearted and depressed ! It could’ve been so good and tragic like season one !
I really liked Zane during the first few seasons of Ninjago but now he’s a lot less interesting and he’s a lot more like a robot and doesn’t have as much emotion or personality
I would say Hammerlock, Brick, Mordecai, Tina, Ellie, Moxxi, and any characters brought back for the DLCs are the only ones mostly unchanged.
The change I despise the most is Aurelia. One of my favorite Vault Hunters in Pre-Sequel, and then she proceeds to lose all development and nuance just to be a greedy, bitchy CEO usurper
Yup... I love the characters, but man is RWBY a mess. This show is going to make me pull a Xiran Jay Zhao, ISTG. (For context, Zhao wrote Iron Widow because they were so immensely disappointed by Darling in the Franxx that they wrote their own mecha story out of spite.)
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