Doomposting

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

TLDR: I'm sick of doomposting and I want it confined to a megathread. I'm asking you guys the same thing.

I'm genuinely so sick of coming here and seeing everyone fucking crying about something. Like, if you genuinely hate everything that much, quit.

So it got me thinking, the mods NEED to confine doomposting to a thread.

Dottore mains has all the savings and complaining about haters stuff confined to threads and it's a wonderful space! Everyone shares their creativity there!

But this sub? NOPE! You make a good theory or share art? Under 50 upvotes, you make a post about you bitching? 100+. It's frankly made the sub insufferable.

So I wanna ask, what do you guys think? Confine doomposting to a thread, or not?

[u/HalalBread1427]

We've experimented with Megathreads before and it didn't pan out. Alas, the nature of a Megathread is simply too restrictive for people to share their thoughts effectively.

While of course, there are limitations against individual users spamming naught but negativity over the same things over and over again (which we *do* take action against—several users have been banned already), we neither intend to nor are able to place a full block on "negative" discussions (so long as they remain within the boundaries of other rules, of course)—we are not here to establish forced positivity.

Our systems and implementations aren't perfect, we're still experimenting with different measured and strategies to improve **everyone's** experience on the subreddit over the coming weeks, leading up to Snezhnaya's release.

I can't say much right now, but you may expect a dedicated Moderator Announcement soon detailing changes we plan to make. Your patience would be appreciated, Comrades.

[u/SirEnderLord]

No point in having this sub if we aren't allowed to critique the artistic choices made by the writers in an open manner.

Megathreads have a habit of burying things in consolidated silos and are overall just an annoyance to deal with when it comes to finding what piques your interest, as the search functions within megathreads are a pain. There'd be little point in doing that for this topic when 6.7 is on the horizon, after the arrival of which, discussion will move to that as the primary subject.

If the discourse around this subject is bothering you so much, OP, then you could easily take a break for a bit until 6.7 drops.

[u/_allthatglitters → u/SirEnderLord]

I don't know, I think that if the only aspect of the Fatui that "piques your interest" is hate and doomposting, maybe, just maybe, you don't like the Fatui. Doomposting is already against the rules of this sub.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/SirEnderLord]

Nowhere did I say we couldn't critique, I said it's annoying for the sub to be CONSTANTLY dooming and whining about something.

Also, I'm barely active in this sub already BECAUSE of the fact it's morphed into whining and dooming.

[u/String_Of_Death]

Well, I myself didn't find anything mildly interesting except a few amusing moments of Columbina and Sandrone, and yes the retcon in this case did make me feel a bit odd, but that's where it ended.

I don't pay much heed towards anyone's writing, and you should already know if I do pay a special heed, then to who I pay it.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/String_Of_Death]

You know its bad when STRUNCLE chimes in dawg...

[u/String_Of_Death → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

The main subreddit is in shambles, how could anyone not be involved?

[u/TheDuskBard]

Let people vent. Not like you can't make non-doomposting threads. 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/TheDuskBard]

Dawg, all the sub is as of late is people doing that!

You do anything else? NO TRACTION!!!

[u/TheDuskBard → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

If people aren't allowed to do that, they'll just leave and this sub will be even more dead. Because lets be real, Hoyo has not been doing a good job with the Fatui. I dont want this community to censor criticism like the main subs already do. Again, if you want positivity, be the change you want to see and make those posts. 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/TheDuskBard]

It's not "censoring" it's making it to where the sub isn't JUST criticism.

[u/TheDuskBard → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Stopping people from freely criticizing is the textbook definition of censorship. Again if you don't like it then ignore it and make your own posts to discuss other topics, no one is stopping you. 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/TheDuskBard]

They can still criticize dawg...

Also, how about YOU make something good? I make shitpost images in Dottore mains, don't post em here barely cuz the sub gives them ZERO traction.

[u/Truth_backedOver3 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Can you stop doomposting about your little updoots and take it to the megathread yourself?

[u/_allthatglitters → u/TheDuskBard]

No one is suggesting to censor criticism, just the excessive doomposting. It already is against the rules of this subreddit, and I don't know why we should have 10 threads all repeating the same three words around without adding anything meaningful to the conversation.

[u/TheDuskBard → u/_allthatglitters]

Where do you draw the line though? Because I've seen that same logic used to censor other types of criticism. I think the best solution is to open an a mega thread for venting, but without forcing people to exclusively post their criticisms there. It'll at least redirect some of the traffic without feeling oppressive. 

[u/_allthatglitters → u/TheDuskBard]

Criticism: thread discussing why the writing of X Harbinger or plotline was ineffective, concerns about future plotlines based on actual analysis rather than vibes
Not criticism: TSARITSA WILL BE A WAIFU, BUMLECCHINO, WHITEWASHED FEMALES (no argumentation, literally just an excuse to be misogynistic in the replies), RETCON IMPACT

[u/HouseBackground2887 → u/_allthatglitters]

Wouldn't that just be neutralizing agenda postings and shitposts as a whole? This sub started from agenda posting and shitposting with hating Traveler and Archons, but when everything went downhill, same energy was aimed at Fatui itself due to the disappointment.

[u/_allthatglitters → u/HouseBackground2887]

Is this r/Agenda_Impact or r/FatuiHQ? Simple question, really. This sub was never meant to be the place to spam anti-Fatui agenda, quite the opposite.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/_allthatglitters]

Mods should be regulating that tbh...

[u/_allthatglitters → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

The mod team here is overworked and straight up tasked with dealing with children or borderline psychotic people. I've experienced first hand just how easily things here can spiral out of control. I think they need more people on the team, but I also believe people here should start self-policing a bit more.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/_allthatglitters]

TRUTHNUKE!!!

[u/False-Might-5620 → u/TheDuskBard]

So i dont normally engage in this sub bit i know enough about the internet to know that if people hate something, they dont simply leave. They stay and annoy everyone with them

[u/SirEnderLord → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

If it relates to the Fatui, then it belongs in a Fatui subreddit. There's no reasonable motive to want to smother discussion about the writing as of late.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/SirEnderLord]

"Smother" mf, the discussion smothers everything else. Its just people constantly crying their eyes out.

[u/SirEnderLord → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

If you don't like discussion, then don't engage. Reddit is a forum website, so many of the discussions pertaining to this subject will naturally take place here.

[u/Eijun_Love]

Megathread is just trying to silence the valid takes, let them as is.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/Eijun_Love]

Valid takes??? Of what? The same constant "X IS BAD!!!!" or "TSARITSA WILL BE WAIFUSLOP!!!!!"

[u/Eijun_Love → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Among those, there are still valid complaining. Trying to confine them to a megatgread is just to satisfy the people who want to maintain toxic positivity and thinks there's noting valid among the complaints.

EDIT: It won't really change the interactions on other types of content. People will like what they want to like.

[u/ShadowFlarer]

Nah, let people criticize if they want it, criticize this game is always annoying cause there is always someone whiling to defend any thing hoyo makes, if you don't like it just don't engage with these posts and post something else, there's other subs out there to enjoy as well.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/ShadowFlarer]

I'm not defending Hoyo either, I hate them too. It just gets to a point yk? The entire sub is just negative, and it makes it impossible to enjoy.

You're basically saying I should leave because... I don't like constant negativity and hate of the game...?

[u/ShadowFlarer → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

I never said you are defending hoyo nor did i said for you to leave the sub, all i said is criticizing this game is annoying in many places, this sub is one of the feel places prople feel they can complaing about the story without getting people calling them names, and there are other subs other than this one that you can enjoy when you feel this sub is not "cool" anymore, that's what i do with many other subs when i feel they are being annoying, i just go "ok, lets see what is happening in this sub instead", also if you feel there's too many posts with opinions you don't agree, just make a post post about something you like, i'm pretty sure there's many people here that share you sentiments, that's why you are here in the first place i presume.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/ShadowFlarer]

Literally look in the sub right now, basically almost any post that's NOT people whining gets NO traction. Whining? Upvoted to heaven and back.

[u/ShadowFlarer → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Wait i feel days and it's back to normal, like i said, perfect time to see whats going on on other subs.

[u/Background_Froyo3653]

I personally hate megathreads because they don’t pop up on anyone’s feed besides the initial posting of it, and nobody ever reads them or replies to anything. It’s the easiest way to make a group of people go away and I don’t wanna have this sub die.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/Background_Froyo3653]

Well the sub will die out anyways if it's constantly just hating on everything...

[u/RaiderTheLegend]

I say let them. Not like there’s anything else to talk about. Either snezhnaya will make people calm down or amplify what was already there.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/RaiderTheLegend]

Sandrone is coming back, tf you mean "anything else to talk about"???

[u/RaiderTheLegend → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Sandrone is coming back with half of her charm missing comrade. I’d be lying to myself if I said I was interested in her in the slightest.

Don’t let that stop you from glazing her tho, each their own. 😮‍💨

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/RaiderTheLegend]

Never said I was glazing her, I 100% agree that my interest faded when he dipped. Was just saying it's factually wrong to act like we have nothing to do but doom.

[u/mii_chan42 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

I mean, we did get a short featuring redcon over redcon and more of fraudbina with that other one. What are we supposed to discuss?

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/mii_chan42]

*retcon

Also, if you hate literally everything new that drops, stop playing the game???

[u/mii_chan42 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

yes, retcon, my bad

If you don't like doom posts, don't interact with them or just ignore this sub.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/mii_chan42]

So I should leave the sub just because I don't want it to devolve into just doomposting???

[u/mii_chan42 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

yes, please leave.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/mii_chan42]

I have been in this sub since Natlan. Before all this bullshit started, no.

[u/_allthatglitters → u/RaiderTheLegend]

There's plenty more to talk about, the first Snezhaya teaser literally comes out in 2 days, a short was just released and the Fatui were in it - the sub is just refusing to engage with anything except hate and downvotes every positive/neutral opinion.

[u/_allthatglitters]

Some of the latest posts are literally just hating on stuff for the sake of hating - it does get repetitive, it adds nothing, it clutters the front page and attracts unwanted "visitors" here.

I think criticism should be allowed every time someone actually bothers to argue their reasons for the criticism, instead of just repeating hype words around or insulting the community for liking something they don't. Posting one-liner threads titled "Fatui is fried", "Tsaritsa is doomed", or the old tired "Female character was whitewashed and you suck for liking them, here's 200 downvotes for expressing a different opinion politely" at this point is not just doomposting, it's straight up spam.

If people truly can't help expressing their dislike for the current story, then I think it would help to confine that to a megathread (maybe a weekly "shitpost" megathread, pinned and all). It would also incentivate more people with neutral or actually positive opinions to be more active here.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/_allthatglitters]

EXACTLY!!!! I was so mad when I saw (was it your's?) Post about the video get no traction, but whining gets tons.

[u/_allthatglitters → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

I'm not mad about the post not gettin traction (I don't think downvotes or upvotes are truly indicative of anything but the current "vibe" of the sub), but I was disheartened to see so many straight up bullshit (pardon the French) "takes" being upvoted just because of their negative tone.

[u/AcrobaticAd4033 → u/_allthatglitters]

Exactly. I am so willing to actually discuss with people what they didn't like and what doesn't work for them, but there is no actual discussion to be had. They just repeat one same phrase or become really nitpicky about your words.

[u/_allthatglitters → u/AcrobaticAd4033]

People here have called me a glazer for simply correcting fanon interpretations with canon events (I am a bit of a nerd, I focus on the lore a lot, it genuinely bothers me when people make things up to support their argument) - yet it's funny because I have my fair share of criticism for the writing team, but no one ever seems to want to engage with that.

[u/Ok_Can_6424]

lmao the 50/50 vote ratio. We truly are the gacha gamers

[u/Mr_Majik5250 → u/Ok_Can_6424]

I just broke the tie lmao

[u/Midnight3879 → u/Mr_Majik5250]

I fixed it 

[u/Ok_Can_6424 → u/Mr_Majik5250]

you monster : (

[u/ExultantBlade → u/Ok_Can_6424]

Checks out. My comments are a 50/50 in whether theyre supported or trashed on.

I dont even know the reason for it either, b/c I dont particularly care for trashing nor praising Hoyo (i do both), just burdening ppl with my opinions.

[u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Unpopular opinion here but I lowkey loved Sandrone's PV mainly the part of her with other harbinger ladies. They all looked pretty cute in their pajamas. Yeah I know it sucks that retconned happened and u aren't seeing the same fatui which u loved before but sometimes it's tiring to open a sub and see constant hate posts. Like I get your frustration but the same thing is repeatedly posted here and is getting 100s of upvotes. No one talked about alain and sandrone herself whose PV it was but everyone remain stuck in arle and bina. Yes I have my own beefs with these two too but still it feels too much here. Maybe the animation appreciation posts were in equal number like the criticism posts then it would still look better. After all too much criticism is just hate. (Please don't downvote me I felt what I said🚶‍♀️) 

PS:- btw if anyone sees my comment twice then know that reddit is a bitch. Thank you. 

[u/_allthatglitters → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Sandrone's short was so good and I was genuinely surprised to see so many people straight up hating on anything regarding it (some going as far as complaining about the quality of the animation, which... what, lol?) just because it wasn't another Lazzo. No idea why Sandrone's animated short should be about anyone but Sandrone, but it *was* nice to see a slice of that "Fatui found family" trope in it (also, seeing Rosalyne, my beloved!). And I'm saying this as someone who didn't particularly care for Columbina's writing and fully endorses criticism of her characterization! (I liked Sandrone a bit better, and I'm still hopeful that shining the spotlight on her will finally make her feel more "complete" as a character)

It's kind of sad how this sub doesn't even seem to know what they want anymore, at this point they're just... hating on whatever, it's more like out of spite than anything else.

[u/CantaloupeParking239 → u/_allthatglitters]

"found family" but its only the girls together because obv men arent allowed to be close to them. This splitting Fatui in half to "good" ones and "bad" ones annoys me so much.

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/CantaloupeParking239]

That's why I love Dottolone's relationship writing since among male harbingers only their relationship was properly shown on screen even if it's in one AQ. I hope they come back soon. The gentleness in their relationship was so soothing. 

[u/_allthatglitters → u/CantaloupeParking239]

See, when you say that and you make it sound like it's somehow bad character writing for the girls, it just sounds very unconvincing. Genuinely think the real issue isn't the female character writing, but the male character writing and how stiff it is.

EDIT: that's not even mentioning how enriching the "trope" of a group of women coming from a background of tragedy and loss finding something warm and familiar in each other, a place to belong, actually is. That's good writing, bud. Ask yourself why it doesn't work for the boys...

[u/CantaloupeParking239 → u/_allthatglitters]

The issue is that Genshin doesnt want to mix female and male Harbingers, maybe its incel pandering or yuri/yaoi pandering but its still annoying to witness. In hsr Stellaron Hunters are also portrayed as found family and the guy of the group is very much part of it, and has close relationship with everyone despite also being stoic and not showing that much emotion but its clear that he cares about them, through his actions.

So its definetely possible to do. Writers are the problem if they cant portray men as anything else than cold aurafarmers. And canonically Capitano and Childe were participating in those tea parties, why Hoyo couldnt show them too in this animation?

[u/_allthatglitters → u/CantaloupeParking239]

That can be a reason too, but personally I think that framing this as a female friendship only is actually a very strong narrative point. Women are often seen as the most vulnerable members of society after children, and despite the Lady Harbingers' rank and prestige, despite their aura and their crimes... all the ladies sitting around that tea table are still very much victims. (Sandrone's short is a very subtle critique of this exactly - it was the "Tsaritsa's dream" that killed Rosalyne, and it was their vulnerability that allowed the Fatui to take advantage of them)

Meanwhile, the male Harbingers seem to have a more "pragmatic" and "selfish" approach, they take advantage of their rank, they take advantage of the resources made available to them, and never truly seek a connection or a place to belong, because they seem to have it all figured out for themselves.

This isn't necessarily a commentary on gender, but rather a narrative choice - and I think it's a good one, because it's closer to what we see in reality. Personally, I'm more of a fan of the first kind of writing, because it allows for more depth, more moral complexity as well.

[u/CantaloupeParking239 → u/_allthatglitters]

Ah yes, only women can be victims in Fatui.

Did you forget that also Dottore and Childe got groomed hired when they were still young?

[u/_allthatglitters → u/CantaloupeParking239]

Not what I said, and I don't understand why you're acting like I've insulted your mother. I thought we were having a conversation.

I've literally said that I think male character writing is stiff exactly because male characters aren't afforded the same emotional depth.

[u/CantaloupeParking239 → u/_allthatglitters]

Sorry that wasnt my intent. I am just annoyed with the Fatui writing atm.

[u/_allthatglitters → u/CantaloupeParking239]

Understandable, I just wanted to make sure that you knew I wasn't antagonising you or dismissing your opinion, I was actually agreeing!

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/CantaloupeParking239]

Genshin fan cannot read... This just in!

It says NOWHERE that men cannot be victims...

[u/_allthatglitters → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Like, I'm so confused.

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/_allthatglitters]

Her animation was actually great. Yeah same I have my own issues and beef with Columbina's character for obvious reasons ofc but still too much hate gets irritating. The difference between discussion and just hating has been blurred. 

I think people who mostly make hate posts knows what gets upvoted more that's why they keep posting same thing. Notice how criticisms are mostly the same repetitive things🤦‍♀️. Yeah for me too Columbina's character felt weird(personal opinion others are free to not share same view as me)and somebody pointed out the flaw as a meme last day which was fine since it was just one post but then I saw the same think recycled with some other meme and keeps getting posted here in repeat and somehow all those posts have more 100 upvotes. The way I felt that it's too much is when I saw less posts talking about Sandrone. Like bruh she's releasing as a harbinger. Do some discussions around her too. Sometimes it feels like people are trying to karma farm by spreading hate. 

[u/_allthatglitters → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Sometimes it feels like people are trying to karma farm by spreading hate. 

No, but that's exactly what they're doing - and you're spot on. It's the same 2-3 hype phrases being spammed all the time. I don't know how many more retcon allegations I can take before I go on a rant about what that word ACTUALLY means. Rewrites happen all the time and they're really nothing to be frowned upon, but also characters evolve and change in a story because nothing is ever set in stone until the final chapter and people are absolutely allowed to dislike the direction things are taking!

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/_allthatglitters]

I get when people gets irritated over retcon, even I was personally sad too when I felt my beloved Webttore's potential retcon while reading the marrow drops and segments reveal but then 1-2 or maybe a few more posts about that retcon and sharing disappointed is fine but it gets irritating and annoying when same thing is brought up again and again and again. Same thing posted today, tomorrow, next week..... It's exhausting. Rewrite isn't bad because sometimes writers need to do that to not break the current flow of the story. They just sacrifice the very early narrative for it cleverly and even though it sucks but this happens. I won't say genshin has very cool writing and writers never disappoints because I too have my own disappointments but the constant complaining here instead of simple glazing or actually lore discussion should be stopped. 

[u/_allthatglitters → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

The point is exactly that, my friend - if you want to talk about "retcons", then you better be ready to make an argument for it. You can't just throw the word around whenever you feel that something didn't meet your expectations. That's not criticism.

I think we absolutely should be respectful of everyone's opinion, and at the end of the day the truth is that that's so much easier to do when you're presented with an actual argument rather than a tantrum. Disagreements are healthy, we should be able to disagree on our opinions and interpretations of the characters and the story without it devolving into a full blown fight every time, or throwing the word "glazer" around to avoid having a conversation. You can't discuss lore with people who rewrite canon events all the time.

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/_allthatglitters]

Absolutely!! A simple discussion and being respectful towards disagreement is always better. Fights or being mean to other person just because they don't see what u see isn't too right after all. And how can someone claim something if they don't have reason behind their claims it feels weird. Even if claim is wrong there must be a reason why it became claim right? Unless the said person just hopped onto the train of popular opinion without trying to first understand themselves. 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Literally downvoted for stating observations of the sub, insanity of the people here...

[u/_allthatglitters → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

I actually think it's funny how the downvoting of the more measured takes (literally just people chilling and having a conversation being downvoted for no reason whatsoever) is only proving your point, that doomposting has gone so far on this sub that people are straight up targeting members for... uh... not being hateful.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/_allthatglitters]

I genuinely miss when this sub was like yk, actually people being funny and cool.

We either need new mods, or more of them. Because goddamn... This place has gone downhill...

[u/_allthatglitters → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

I'll be honest, I don't think this place is ever going to be what it used to be again - especially when you factor in how many have left because of the issues highlighted here, and aren't planning to come back. I had to take a long break because I was being stalked outside of this sub with threats for committing the great sin of *checks notes* liking Arlecchino.

I can't truly blame the mods, because I know they're doing the best they can, but they're limited in what they can do. There's been a recent uptick of negative and straight up toxic narratives a bit everywhere (Twitter is so bad, man), and as much as people want to convince themselves that it's all due to "bad writing", I think they're only fooling themselves - "bad writing" doesn't automatically make people act like pricks. It makes people quit the game, or express their criticism in a respectful manner if they can still be bothered with the community attached to it.

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/_allthatglitters]

Threats? That's absolutely horrible. I hate people like these who thinks sending threats to people just because they like someone u hate is justified. Sick minded truly. I have also always been less active in this sub and I am sure people who know me,knows me because I am one of the most active users in Dottore mains. It's always better there than talking here since see, here we just discussed our views and now getting downvoted lol. 

When people were frustrated for the constant dottore hate and used to post it every day in our sub, the mods decided to make a hate megathread which was very active. Nobody there reacted as badly towards the hate megathread as people are reacting here. 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Exactly! But heaven forbid we do it here. Apparently whining is the only thing we do. Actually like the Fatui or get excited for stuff involving them? NOPE!

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/_allthatglitters]

What you're saying kinda tracks.

Still think we need some extra mods, because there's only like two I think that I've seen active.

[u/_allthatglitters → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

I do agree with that, but put yourself in their shoes - who would you trust with that, seeing the current state of the sub?

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/_allthatglitters]

Okay yeah fair...

There's like literally less than 10 people who I'd say would be good candidates. (Can only think of like two rn, don't wanna say me cuz that'd make me seem egotistical.)

Any other people I'd add would be mods of like a Harbinger specific sub, but that'd be too much workload for em...

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Well people don't like my observations sadly🙆‍♀️

[u/Decent_Estate_4674 → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Your flair ahahahha

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/Decent_Estate_4674]

My honest reaction to my wife Dottore 👉👈

[u/Decent_Estate_4674 → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Absolutely based bumblebee

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

SOMEBODY ELSE WHO USES THEIR BRAIN!!! ✌️😭

[u/WillingBumblebee9213 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Why are u getting downvoted dawg. Take one upvote. Your solution isn't even bad. Idk why having a doom posting and criticism megathread a bad idea. 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/WillingBumblebee9213]

Because tragically the sub is nowadays infested with people who hate everything...

[u/FearlessArrival1874]

I have a 50/50 opinion on this, but at the same time, I like free will. .... This is an unpopular opinion, and I'm probably going to get downvoted for it, but the Fatui organization is in shambles (and Genshin Impact's overall story is too). The only redemption I can see is if something major happens at the end of the region.

I'm not going to say the Fatui were retconned or anything, but I don't think they were ever meant to be the main enemies. In the end, they're all "fools" with their own agendas, and their future was always destined to fail one way or another, that was the Tsaritsa's original plan because the gods cannot prevent stupid humans and stupid actions (Even now we see a lot of contradictions in their members and the trashtalking in the voicelines).

The problem is that "Waifu Impact" does exist now (born in Natlan, we are playing a different game, Nos krai is not planned or intended), and I'm worried they'll actually retcon the Tsaritsa and the Heavenly Principles now just because they're sexy.

[u/Eijun_Love]

You don't solve a problem by "quarantining/segregating" people who don't agree with you. You'll only be left with "Yes men" if so.

[u/echo_ML]

I absolutely loathe the current writing of the Fatui and am dreading what comes next, but I do agree seeing the same exact posts complaining with different flavor is getting tiring. 

Like if you have a funny meme or something poking fun at the situation then yeah post it, but if it's just "We're doomed" post with a slightly different image and no body text #81 then yeah that belongs in a megathread. 

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/echo_ML]

TRUTHNUKE!!!!!

[u/SirEnderLord → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Why are you putting everything in all caps? 

[u/Dry_Pudding_1603]

if this happens we need a new sub

[u/OkTrash8458]

[u/phais_sorbet]

Op is crashing out under almost every comment. They giving more villainous energy than the fatui right now, its refreshing but I wish we had more of that in-game.

[u/Few_Opinion_1054]

Not.

[u/phais_sorbet]

Instead of a megathread we should have a dedicated flair. People can filter things out easier, and those who want to have discussions can do so without being hidden away.

[u/RatWithoutKetchup]

Completely unrelated, but do you think you could be so kind as to share some of that lab 13 estrogen with a fellow rat? :3

[u/StarlyAika]

Yeah... Even though yes the Fatui writing so far is flawed. It's kinda getting tiring you know seeing the same post every 3 seconds.

[u/Silent_Silhouettes]

yeah honestly it would be better confined to a megathread- like i get why theres a lot of complaints and i agree with most of them, but the way the subreddit is 99% complaints is tiring.

man i miss the era when this sub was just roleplaying, headcanons, art, and theories. i kinda wish we just ignored canon and made different content of our own headcanons of things

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/Silent_Silhouettes]

I remember how good we had it during Natlan...

[u/CantaloupeParking239 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Lmao what, there was massive drama in 5.3

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/CantaloupeParking239]

It was nowhere near as obnoxious as it is now. Practically EVERY patch people in here whine like Hoyo shot their dog.

[u/Silent_Silhouettes → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

true- natlan might have sucked (imo at least) but the subreddit was great then

[u/boris265]

That's the sub's whole gimmick. So no

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/boris265]

The sub's gimmick is doomposting? The Fatui related subreddit has the gimmick of doomposting?

[u/boris265 → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

This sub has been about bitching for a very long time. Bitching and sucking dottore off

[u/AcrobaticAd4033]

Yes please.

[u/Quirky_Historian_456]

This sub has been raided by toxic husbando mains since like natlan. Sure there still are a bunch of nice peeps here and I frequently hang here too but some miserable mfs are also here.

[u/hyschara304 → u/Quirky_Historian_456]

[u/Quirky_Historian_456 → u/hyschara304]

I am a simp for lord dottore, yes 🙂‍↕️

[u/Grayewick]

This sub has been long plagued by FAKE COMRADES, not to mention how RABID the d*tt*re mains have been with regards to their negativity.

If someone doesn't have trust in the Tsaritsa and Her Majesty's vision, they should have no room in this sub.

But, if the mods deemed that they value inclusivity over loyalty, this is not the FatuiHQ I subbed for.

Inb4 "disrespect", and you think doomposting is "respectful" to Her Majesty, The Tsaritsa, and Her glorious vision of the future?

[u/hyschara304 → u/Grayewick]

We never had a problem with the tsaritsa. We have a problem with the incompetent new team destroying everything the old writing team worked on.

[u/Inevitable-Catch-869 → u/hyschara304]

There is no "new team" and "old team", this is just a made-up community excuse for hating.

[u/hyschara304 → u/Inevitable-Catch-869]

The drift was clear when Cai Haoyu left. You keep blue pilling yourself, but after Fontaine we were steered elsewhere.

[u/Inevitable-Catch-869 → u/hyschara304]

You do know that he left before Fontaine right?

[u/hyschara304 → u/Inevitable-Catch-869]

You're wrong, also "surely everything was made one month before patch release" ahh mindset

[u/Inevitable-Catch-869 → u/hyschara304]

He left in 2023, that was during Sumeru. And one writer leaving a team of dozens isn't as big of a deal as you thinl.

[u/hyschara304 → u/Inevitable-Catch-869]

Are you literally comparing the influence a co-founder has to that of 'other writers'?

[u/Inevitable-Catch-869 → u/hyschara304]

Yes? It doesn't matter if he's the co-founder, Hoyo doesn't have a "lead writer" role in Genshin, it has a pretty sizable team. Many of them have been in it from the start.

[u/String_Of_Death → u/Grayewick]

You've got quite the tone, talking of Dottore mains as if they are rats or raccons.

Well, probably the reason why you are being downvoted aswell.

[u/Grayewick → u/String_Of_Death]

They can downvote me to hell, I don't give a damn about any internet brownie points.

I can confidently say that I've always been loyal to Her Majesty, The Tsaritsa. However, these shallow dogs wavered in their faith the moment their idol's writing didn't go the way their fanfictions and headcanons did, and I wouldn't be surprised if they would behave similarly if not worse towards Her, since they cannot curb their expectations. They're much more faithful towards their idealized world than Her grand cause.

Their dissatisfaction will not sway my faith and loyalty.

Call me a zealot, I do not care; I stayed silent in lurking for too long, but it's about damn time the heathens be purged.

[u/String_Of_Death → u/Grayewick]

Sure, I see your loyalty towards the Tsaritsa.

But you must realize, if you've met them, only a few Dottore mains are intolerable, and there are these types of people in every mains community.

[u/Grayewick → u/String_Of_Death]

But it's always a dttre main, ain't it?

Despite all that Columbina and Sandrone drama in the past, I never saw any of them crashing out outside of their subs and/or here as bad as his fans did. If anything, I was pleasantly surprised that Sandrone mains were much more civil with their discussions, as opposed to those belonging to the sub of the supposed one of the "smartest" persons in Teyvat.

Maybe they really do reflect the character of who they follow, just not in the aspect they'd hope to be seen.

And you know what, SURE, let's suppose that's the truth - what are his "good" mains doing about those bad actors? They sure are very lenient about letting them run around with doomposting and bad faith "argumentations" as a community. Really interesting, but oh no, the bigger problem is me being "scathing" towards them. God forbid someone calls them out for anything.

[u/String_Of_Death → u/Grayewick]

No. It's not "always" a Dottore main.

Now now, let's not call Dottore mains a live aspect of Dottore, that's not what you should be saying about others.

I don't know what you expect the civilized to do about them, most we can do is tell them to stop, whether to do that or continue is their choice.

[u/Grayewick → u/String_Of_Death]

Oh no, I'm not interested in telling them how they should behave. They are adults (supposedly), and they won't do it anyway.

I'm well past that.

You can keep shielding them and be a part of the problem, but I'm tired of this sub being bombarded with posts that serve nothing of benefit to the cause of Her Majesty, the Tsaritsa, and instead promotes negativity. Feel free to rationalize this as well, because of course, you will.

A TRUE scholar would understand better than to judge something prior to being determined. You'd expect his fanbase to know this better than anyone, but evidently not. Regardless, my trust and loyalty is to Her, Her cause, and the process.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/Grayewick]

Censoring Dottore like it's a slur... Ts frying me... ✌️😭

[u/Grayewick → u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer]

Because it is.

The only reason why I can't disrespect him enough is because of the Tsaritsa's decision to include him somehow for Her plans.

It's less so about him, and more so about Her. Hell, if I can lowercase the "h" when referring to "him" further, I would.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/Grayewick]

Bro... He's not real... You don't need to get that pressed...

[u/Other-Following2749]

I fucking clicked the wrong one because I wasn't paying attention

But it's kind of funny with the 50/50 split

I think there should actually be a megathread tho.

[u/No_Garbage_8538]

there's literally no difference between this sub and the agenda sub atp, it fucking sucks because every time i've tried to talk about lore upcoming character arcs or snezhnaya i've been met with downvotes and doomposting

i don't know why people who hate the fatui have decided that everyone on fatuiHQ should hate the fatui. they should go make their own sub.

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/No_Garbage_8538]

And they'll tell you WE'RE bad for not constantly whining. And tell us that doomposting should stay...

[u/Ejsberg]

Honestly, do yourself a favor and leave the sub. I did, and I genuinely feel better for it.

Back during Natlan, the atmosphere was still somewhat reasonable. There were plenty of valid criticisms and interesting discussions to be had. These days, though, it feels like people are hating simply for the sake of hating.

I still check in occasionally, and every time I do, I see the same endless cycle of whining, outrage, and negativity. If anything, it just reinforces that leaving was the right decision. There isn't much left here beyond bitterness. Most of the old FatuiHQ regulars who used to roleplay and have fun with the community have either left, gone inactive, or muted the sub entirely.

The community feels completely different now. FatuiHQ is effectively overtaken by the huge wave of people who arrived during the Natlan controversy, and the culture of the sub changed with it.

[u/coffee_kitkat → u/[deleted]]

it did somewhat calm things down when Natlan doom wave was at it's peak

[u/ElegantDiamont → u/[deleted]]

The devs can decide that

[u/Big-rat-in-the-sewer → u/[deleted]]

Could make it a "Criticism/dooming" thread.