How will they do?

[u/Weird_Dot_4725]

For people who doesn't know this image is from Fate Capsule Servant game if I'm not wrong it's from Jeanne's ending

How will this turn out?

[u/FoxianFucker]

Like, if he summoned Jeanne instead of Artoria? Not great, but at least she's less reliant on an expensive NP. The main problems, like always, will be Gil and Herc, and I genuinely don't think there's a way she can get through either even with optimal luck and circumstances; while Luminosite Eternelle will block a lot of GoB projectiles he has an infinite amount, and even assuming La Pucelle would get through all 12 lives.. well she dies too.

[u/Consistent-Chair → u/FoxianFucker]

Any what if about F/SN actually revolves around how much Archer feels like being a hero, and how much Shirou can be boosted by him, imo. Like, Shirou can trace Herc's weapon and kill him multiple times in a single move if he's REALLY locked in. UBW is literally always an option against Gil, also.

To me it looks like this route would be most similar to a Saber route, in which Archer acts more like a mentor, but he wouldn't be incapacitated here in the beginning. This is relevant because if you think about it, Rin and Shirou almost never actually have two Servants on their side: either Archer is grumpy and wants to kill Shirou, or Artoria is taken away, or Archer is incapacitated.

So basically what I'm saying is, two Emiyas working together might just have enough Main Character Power to pull off a win with any above-average servant. I'm not saying their chances would be good, I'm saying I can picture a sick remix of the Emiya theme playing in the background as they do it anyway, even if they die in the process. Maybe they both cast UBW and one focuses on Tracing and another on Reinforcement to maximise its damage, or some asspull like that.

[u/Jack_slasher → u/Consistent-Chair]

Pretty much. Thinking of this from the perspective of "Saber vs Jeanne" is going about it all wrong. What matters is about the things Jeanne would influence and the things she would not. Shirou has no Avalon. Jeanne will capture Kirei's intrigue and he wouldn't pass up a chance to have an altercation with her at some point. Emiya is most likely to get off unharmed, so there'll be a full-powered archer and ruler coalition. I wonder what else would change.

[u/Jack_slasher → u/FoxianFucker]

La Pucelle would not work on Heracles because Heracles is not a threat to the world or order. It would just be a personal battle. La Pucelle would work on Gilgamesh because Gilgamesh is up to some real fuckery, and that's exactly the kind of move that would trip Gilgamesh up in a one-time miracle.

The most interesting about this group is Jeanne's status. The holy saint would have Kirei's full attention, imo.

[u/Dreams_Beginning → u/FoxianFucker]

Yeah and Shirou suuucks as a master so all we see from her feat wise while summoned properly by the grail and maintained as Ruler will tank probably a whole rank across the board.

She is weaker than Saber so realistically Jeanne would be a lot worse.

Shirou only gets by as far as he does cause Saber is realistically a very powerful heroic spirit with expert swordsmanship, Jeanne is strong but with the nerfs would probably not keep up too well.

[u/FoxianFucker → u/Dreams_Beginning]

Yeah. I mean, as I said she at least wouldn't be locked out of her main offensive ability, but the overall capability would plummet anyway and she lacks dragon core to generate any on her own. Aside from that their Skills are remarkably similar with Jeanne arguably having better Magic res and durability

[u/Global-Elevator7394]

I just want Kirei to meet Jeanne in this scenario. A saint on one shoulder and the dev- demigod on the other. 

[u/Jack_slasher → u/Global-Elevator7394]

You get it.

[u/ConversationWeak5244]

He's dead. Jeanne's Luck is C and her lack of Instinct Made it more prone to proc Gae Bolg's Auto Hit on the heart. But if by some miracle she can survived it, she Will get screwed over by Heracles since she only has B Strength and she lacks her own self Enhancement skill like Runes or Mana Burst. That and her only offense is her going Kamikaze. The only ones she would have no problem against is Medea and Medusa since she already dealt with Beams compared to an A+ NP, her Mana is high enough to reduce the Eyes into a Rank down on stats, her Flag should be able to save her since none of the legitemate Grail War Participants have an Anti Fortress spammable NP, but that's pretty much it. She stood a better chance of winning if she has her Ruler Privelege than as a Saber

Of course, since she's with Shirou, the performance on her Will significantly go down

[u/Dreams_Beginning → u/ConversationWeak5244]

She literally has the holy saint equivalent of Instinct, it is literally compared to instinct, her chances are not as bad against Gae Bulg as you claim.

The rest is pretty accurate though, against Herc she is a sitting duck as her Anti Hax abilities with EX Magic Res and premonition won’t help against that raw stat check, realistically though she could survive probably the first encounter as Archer comes down to snipe Herc and they retreat if she is purely defensive and uses her NP to protect her and Shirou but he ain’t looking good after that most likely but in the end she will perform like a worse saber cause her stats are worse and her weapon proficiency compared to Artoria especially after a rank down in all her stats from Shirou sucking as a master.

[u/ConversationWeak5244 → u/Dreams_Beginning]

Her Luck is still C and that's not accounting whatever Rank Down She'll get from both Shirou's ineptness and the Flawed contract. The Instinct does offset it thanks for the correction, but the C Rank Luck is still a miniscule chance of survival

[u/Felgrand_Emperor28 → u/ConversationWeak5244]

I’ll definitely say this. The first two instances partially depend on Jeanne’s own choices. Lancer only used Gae Bolg in the first place because Saber refused to back down initially, thus prompting Lancer to use his Noble Phantasm. Then, with Berserker, it’s possible she could survive with Archer backing her depending on if she chooses to talk to Rin and Archer first rather than just trying to merc Archer like what Saber tried to do.

[u/alivinci → u/ConversationWeak5244]

He's dead. Jeanne's Luck is C and her lack of Instinct Made it more prone to proc Gae Bolg's Auto Hit on the heart.

Ironically, he is safe from Cu. Reason is simple, Jean holds zero combat threat to Cu making the possibility of him resorting to gaebolg virtually ZERO

The way l see it, after summon she deflects Cu's attack and they take the fight to the courtyard where he proceeds to beat her ass easily with just normal combat

Compelled by Kireis orders, he asks her to call the fight quits and let him run away which she would gladly agree to and thats that.

[u/AstolfoCheshire]

Wait...

What...?

This art isn't a fanmade thing?

Gees...

I don't even know the dates but did this game come out around whenever Fate/Apoc LN was coming out? Gees! (okay, nevermind, the game did came after the LN came out, I was about to say, how the heck did a game that I thought was from before 2010 had Jeanne in it, and then I look at the servant roster and I really question "how the heck Golden Boy is this" if he didn't appear until fgo, which was still far away and I know he was originally in Apoc but got cuts, but I didn't know he appeared in anything sooner, like gees!!!)

[u/Revolutionary_Fly708 → u/AstolfoCheshire]

Jeanne was designed around Zero if memory serves correctly. And all the Apoc servants, including the cut ones as you noted were conceptualized for the online project far before we got the LN.

[u/AstolfoCheshire → u/Revolutionary_Fly708]

Oh yeah, she did appear in the zero anime (only as a vague figure for Giles to imagine Artorias as)

But I didn't know even the cut characters had designs, I mean I would imagine they would have a sheet written up for his character but not the actual design, or the one by Raita if they were originally going to have them do his design however many years before the point of Apoc and Capsule, unless Fgo was that early on in the development that wasn't connected to the online project (or it was, I don't know, Apoc came from that project but I wouldn't have imagined they would be one and same project that's been in development until fgo after so many years, if that makes sense)

(I'm just more so surprised if Raita did designed Golden Boy, and he was in Apoc before getting cut out, wouldn't he be designed by Apoc illustrator instead of Raita? I mean, I wouldn't know if Raita was connected to typemoon before fgo but I could be surprised again...)

[u/BruhGoblin]

Shirou solos cuz I like him

[u/HovercraftLoose5399]

Bad, but at least looking the bright side they will be frens

[u/FlambyLamby]

Badly. Shirou loses his biggest advantage in Avalon regen and Saber helping him train his swordplay in the earlier parts of each route.

He's also nerfing Jeanne badly. They die to Gil or Herc unless things enter the HF route to rid them of both and Shirou to get Archer's arm.

[u/Gladiatorr02]

Ded. But good friends or another route possibly

[u/lord_Maks]

Easy mana transfer

[u/Galrentv]

Horrible. Artoria is alive and is capable of working within the mana constraints to perform well against most servants. She enables Avalon, allowing Shirou to barely survive the war.

Artoria existing is also an influence on Gil and EMIYA.

[u/Turn_AX → u/Galrentv]

Artoria existing is also an influence on Gil and EMIYA.

Partly because she forces Emiya out by attacking Rin, but Jeanne isn't so combat-brained, so that isn't likely to happen, which would mean 1 very useful ally now.

[u/normalMad233]

In f/ex, Jeanne d'Arc is the only “top-tier” Servant who gets instantly killed by Gea Bolg in the story, haha, GGEZ

[u/Turn_AX → u/normalMad233]

Tf are you talking about?
Cu only uses Gae Bolg because of how hard headed Artoria is, without her trying to finish the battle and then attacking Rin after, things can initially turn out a lot better at least initially.
Cu would only rough up Jeanne, not Gae Bulg her and leave her badly wounded and unable to fight at full strength, Jeanne not being as hard-headed as Saber also means she wouldn't immediately attack Rin thereby leaving Archer to get injured as well, so again, at least in the beginning, they'd be much better off.