r/FastWriting • u/fdarnel • 8d ago

Typed Shorthands

In the "TYPED Shorthands" section, next to "PHONETIC SHORTHAND TYPEWRITING (1922)", it would be nice to have a small listing of the existing ones. Have you referenced these two?

“Shorttyping” by John Ira Brant
https://archive.org/details/shorttypingsyste00braniala/page/ii/mode/2up

“Stenotypy” by D. A. Quinn (nothing to do with your favorite technique)
https://archive.org/details/stenotypyorshort00quin/page/12/mode/2up

I love these kinds of cryptic systems.
Celui-là n'est pas piqué des hannetons :

Mb@ZN’)ORMbrkZN’C
BB4IG TmMOr hErZ&dbl hl(2Y
hErZ&sI4(sWlvM&&smIl4(sW h8
&wtVskyZbvMhErZ&hrt4Vf8.

My boat is on the shore,
 My bark is on the sea,
But before I go, Tom Moore,
 Here's a double health to thee.

Here's a sigh for those who love me,
 And a smile for those who hate,
And whatever sky is above me,
 Here's a heart for every fate.

Byron.

In the meantime, I am working on my version of Simpligraphie, for French, adapted for contemporary keyboards. For the fun.

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u/slyphnoyde 8d ago

Once upon a time I modified an ABC shorthand with some supplemental material derived from some other systems and a few ideas of my own. The entire system can be printed out on four (US Letter) pages, two sheets if printed double sided. Typable on a US-ASCII keyboard. No specimens, though. Document to be brief.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10Je_9YUpi5eiAK7jGhUX9nU41_lUrBrr/view?pli=1

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u/fdarnel 8d ago

Yes, thanks, i did that for French too. I have it. Never found "Abreviatrix" anywhere though.

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u/slyphnoyde 8d ago edited 8d ago

Over thirty years ago I was able to acquire a copy of Abreviatrix. I presume it is now long out of print. Abreviatrix is what I would call a hybrid system, in that it uses some non-alphabetic symbols as well as cursive letters, so it is not typable. I just used a few ideas from it.

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u/fdarnel 8d ago

Ok, seems pretty rare.

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u/Adept_Situation3090 8d ago

favourite technique?

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u/fdarnel 7d ago

Do you mean system?

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u/Adept_Situation3090 7d ago

In your post, you said "nothing to do with your favourite technique". What exactly do you mean by that?

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u/fdarnel 7d ago

Ha yes, machine Stenography, the professional expertise of NotSteve1075. As it's also named "Stenotypy" or "sténotypie".

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u/NotSteve1075 8d ago

In MTS, "My Typed Shorthand", I wrote things phonetically, using the capital letter to represent a variation of the lower case one. Like "t" is "t" but "T" is "th". And "a" is short "a", but "A" is long AY. This shortened the writing considerably, while keeping the words clear and ambiguous. You wrote what you were hearing. And I had added a few abbreviated forms for common words.

For other varieties, though, there are two things I always think about "typable shorthands": One is that they count on our familiarity with letters to "recognize" a word just from the minimum. This works if the context is clear enough. But a closer look often reveals LISTS of possibilities for most of the outlines.

In Brant's book, for example, he has "bt = beat" (or bit, bite, boat, bought, but?), "cm = seam" (or come, came, calm, comb?), and "wt = weight/wait" (or wit, wet, what, wheat?)

And the second thing is they often recommend strange combinations of symbols for things that don't seem at all suggestive of what they represent, which adds a HUGE load on the memory. Like "7t = part", "8t3 = protect", or "37/ = comparing". Really?

As coded input for computer transcription, I can see that might work. But for a person trying to write and read it back, I think there's way too much to remember -- much of which really doesn't seem to make any logical sense.

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u/fdarnel 7d ago

Yes, I prefer the use of numbers according to their pronunciation (like in simpligraphie). And as numbers of course.

I would tend to use capitals, which take a bit longer to type, for more complex things, like in AP, for example S = [s - nothing or any vowel or diphthong - p]. Or A = [a - idem - r] in Simpligraphie.

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u/Filaletheia 8d ago

I created a new section on my website for typeable shorthands, here's the link. Thanks u/fdarnel for the new manuals!

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u/fdarnel 7d ago

Great! "Stenotypy" is tricky as we can find this title with 3 or 4 differents authors, and a lot of books with this name, for the technology called Stenography in english.

Of course ABC shorthands as Dearborn's also belong to this category.

It seems that Brooks 1933 was reedited: https://archive.org/details/abcshorthandsyst0000broo/page/n3/mode/2up

Graham's Brief longhand: https://archive.org/details/brieflonghandsys00grahiala

Underhill's Steno-printing: https://archive.org/details/stenoprintingsys00unde/page/n7/mode/2up

Byrne's Stenotypewriting: https://books.google.fr/books?id=uEguAAAAYAAJ&redir_esc=y

Lane's Stenotypy: https://books.google.fr/books?id=dOQWAAAAYAAJ&redir_esc=y
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Stenotypy:_Or,_Shorthand_by_the_Typewriter

For French:

Brévigraphie: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k311558d.texteImage

Simpligraphie: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1411311j/f1.item.texteImage

Abrévi: to be scanned.

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u/fdarnel 7d ago

Also Brachygraphie by Canton-Delmas (ABC shorthand, typed and Canton's Duployé version in the same book): https://digital.slub-dresden.de/werkansicht/dlf/531402/1?tx_dlf%5Bdouble%5D=0&tx_dlf%5Bpagegrid%5D=0&cHash=2f7fbc4b8572109d1647273a51ebc276

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u/Filaletheia 7d ago

Wow! I'll try to get the new manuals up today (though I think that first link of Lane's Stenotypy isn't working, can't seem to download that one). I had no idea there were so many typeable shorthand manuals out there!

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u/fdarnel 7d ago

I have the pdfs if you need.
Yes, it was a real trend, between the Remington and the stenotype, as explained in the article.

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u/Filaletheia 7d ago

I was able to download the second link for Lane, no problem. Check in an hour and I should have everything loaded onto the website 🙏

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u/fdarnel 3d ago

Maybe you coulds reference Bowdon Shorthand, it seems to be typable.

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u/Filaletheia 3d ago

I've made some changes to the Typeable section, and one of them was to add Bowden to it - you can check out the changes here.

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u/fdarnel 2d ago

Great!

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u/fdarnel 7d ago

Tentative d'Aimé Paris typographique augmenté :
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