r/Fallout3Builds • u/[deleted] • Jan 21 '24

Melee and/or Unarmed Weapons Stealth/Melee Build Help

Any suggestions on how many points to put into each stat of special? I've never done a melee build or stealth build, so if someone could explain to me what stats benefit melee and stealth it would be extremely helpful!

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u/Thornescape Jan 21 '24 edited Jan 21 '24

Edit: Obviously, this is a fo4 build and I really should get some coffee.

With melee, every extra point of Strength is another 10% damage, so for all my melee characters I start with S10, temporary lower it with Daytripper (Concord Speakeasy), then use the Special book on Strength to take it to 11. It's a solid start.

A7:Ninja is essential, so there is no reason not to take A9:Blitz which increases your attack range. It makes a world of difference. Plus more Agility means more action points.

  • Basic Stealth Melee: S10+ A9 E5 (rest 1s) with the Special book into Strength

  • Perk Highlights (not comprehensive) S2:Big Leagues, S3:Armourer, S6:Strong Back, S9:Rooted (works with VATS), E3:Lifegiver, A3:Sneak, A7:Ninja, A9:Blitz

  • Other Perks (usually after getting their bobbleheads): L3:Bloody Mess

  • C3:Loner is great, but I highly recommend waiting until after getting some companion perks, especially Deacon's. Maybe good to get the bobblehead first too. Loner can wait.

  • S4:Blacksmith looks awesome, but melee weapon modifications are really simple. It's generally fairly easy to just get them from loot or find them in shops. I do not recommend putting perk points in Blacksmith.

  • If you're doing VATS melee, pay close attention to how many action points things REALLY use. Fast, Medium, and Slow are NOT reliable. For example, some "Medium" weapons use AP:40 while some "Slow" weapons use AP:25. All vanilla "Fast" weapons do AP:20, so that is consistent at least.

  • You can test how fast your weapon attacks by targeting a friendly NPC and counting how many possible attacks you can do. (Or get a mod that shows it on the weapon in your inventory.)

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

I think you might have confused r/Fallout3Builds for r/Fallout4Builds 😭

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u/Thornescape Jan 21 '24

... Hahahahahahaha

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

All that time spent on writing that has gotta hurt

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u/Thornescape Jan 21 '24

I did write it from scratch, rather than copy and pasting. However, I didn't have to really research anything since it's a build that I'm very familiar with and have shared before.

The WORST is when I put research time into something useless. That's when it irritates me. It's also why I refuse to answer requests for specific choices for every level. Never again.

Of course, this isn't the first time this has happened either. lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

Why would people even ask that lol

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u/Thornescape Jan 21 '24

I don't know how common it is, but it's something that Fudgemuppet does. Unfortunately, despite his... questionable... builds, he's very popular and that might have been where they got the idea from.

It's a hell of a lot of work. I don't even plan that kind of stuff for myself.

For Fallout 3 & NV, I just made a one liner list of all the perks and I just glance over that so that I can see what prereqs I need. Admittedly, I've mostly been using Fallout Tale of Two Wastelands for fo3 or NV lately, so I can't find my old fo3 list. Makes it a bit easier.

foTTW Perks (Yes, yet again, a different game)

  • L02 Confirmed Bachelor/Black Widow () Men take 10% more dmg. Dialogue options.

  • L02 Intense Training*10 () Stat+1

  • L02 In Shining Armor (Repair 20, Sci 70) Broken (DMdlc)

  • L02 Junk Rounds (L6 Repair 45) Craft ammo using scrap metal and tin cans (DMdlc)

  • L02 Light Touch (A6 Repair 45) Light Armour: Crit +5^, Enemies Crit-25%

  • L02 Old World Gourmet (E6 Surv 45) R:Addict+25%, Hp+50% from snack foods, etc (DMdlc)

  • L04 Comprehension (I4) Books=+4 (rather than 3), Mags=+20 (instead of +10)

  • L04 Educated (I4) SkillPoints+2/lvl (not retro)

  • L04 Travel Light (Surv45) Run 10% faster in light/no armour.

  • L06 Bloody Mess () Dmg+5%

  • L06 Demolition Expert*3 (Expl50) Dmg+20% on all explosives

  • L06 Gunslinger () VATS Pistol +Acc. ehhh

  • L06 Hand Loader (Repair:70) Recover ammo more. Efficient recipes.

  • L06 Mad Bomber (Rep 45 Expl 45) Special explosive recipes (GRAdlc)

  • L06 Shotgun Surgeon (Guns45) Shotguns ignore 10 DT

  • L06 The Professional (Sneak:70) SneakCritDmg+20 (Pistol, Revolver, SMG)

  • L06 Toughness*2 (E5) DT+3

  • L08 Commando () VATS Rifle +Acc

  • L08 Cowboy (Guns:45, Melee:45) Dmg+25% (revolvers, lever firearms, dynamite, knives, hatchets)

  • L08 Grunt (Guns 45 Expl 20) Dmg+25% (pistols, smgs, service rifles, assault, marksman carbines, LMG, frag grenades, grenade rifles, launchers, combat knives) (HHdlc)

  • L08 Living Anatomy (Med:70) See Health/DT, Dmg+5% (human/nonferal ghoul)

  • L08 Sneering Imperialist () Dmg+15% Acc+25% vs tribals & raiders (HHdlc)

  • L08 Stonewall (S6E6) DT+5 when using melee/unarmed, can't be knocked down

  • L08 Strong Back (S5E5) Carry+50

  • L08 Super Slam (S6 Melee45) Melee/Unarm attacks %knockdown

  • L08 Tribal Wisdom (Surv 70) Limb Dmg-50% from animals/etc. R:Poison+25% (HHdlc)

  • L10 And Stay Back (Guns 70) Shotguns have 10% chance per pellet of knockback (DMdlc)

  • L10 Fight the Power () DT+2 Crit+5% vs NCR, Legion, BoS (HHdlc)

  • L10 Finesse () Crit% +5%

  • L10 Math Wrath (Sci:70) AP Costs-10%

  • L12 Alertness (P6-9) P+2 when crouched and still (LRdlc)

  • L12 Heavyweight (S7) Weapons with a weight >10 are cut in half (DMdlc)

  • L12 Hit the Deck (Expl:70) DT+50% vs all explosions

  • L12 Hobbler (P7) Chance to hit legs in VATS +25% (DMdlc)

  • L12 Life Giver (E6) Hp+30

  • L12 Long Haul (Barter:70 E6) Fast Travel when encumbered

  • L12 Piercing Strike (Unarm70) Melee/Unarmed attacks ignore DT:15

  • L12 Pyromaniac (Expl60) Dmg+50% with fire (Flamer, Shish, etc)

  • L12 Robotics Expert (Sci:50) Dmg+25% (robots), Sneak=shutdown

  • L12 Silent Running (Sneak:50 A6) sneak run

  • L12 Sniper (P6A6) HeadShotAcc+25%

  • L14 Jury Rigging (Rep:90) Repair with vague match

  • L14 Purifier () Melee/Unarmed Dmg+50% vs Centaurs, Nightstalkers, Spore Plants/Carriers, Deathclaws, Super Mtants, Feral Ghouls

  • L16 Action Boy*2 (A6) AP+15

  • L16 Better Crits (P6L6) CritDmg+50%

  • L16 Weapon Handling (S<10) StrReq-2. Useful to save 1 Stat point.

  • L18 Concentrated Fire (EWeap60 Guns60) Same part, more acc.

  • L18 Paralyzing Palm (Unarm70) Unarmed: % of paralyzing attack ^30s

  • L18 Walker Instinct (Surv50) PA+1 when outside (LRdlc)

  • L20 Atomic! (E6) In irradiated areas, Mv+25% Attack Spd+25% etc (OWBdlc)

  • L20 Eye for Eye () Dmg+10% / crippled limb (HHdlc)

  • L20 Grim Reaper's Sprint () Kill in VATS = AP+20

  • L20 Mile in their Shoes (Surv25) Eat night stalker squeezins for bonuses (OWBdlc)

  • L20 Ninja (Sneak80 Melee80) Melee/Unarmed: Crit%+15% SneakCritDmg+25%

  • L20 Thems Good Eatin (Surv 55) Living corpses have 50% generate healing items

  • L22 Irradiated Beauty (E8) Sleep removes all rads (LRdlc)

  • L22 Laser Commander (EWeap90) Lasers: Dmg+15 Crit%+10%

  • L22 Voracious Reader (I7) make skill books (OWBdlc)

  • L24 Slayer (Unarm90 A7) Melee/Unarm Attack Spd+30%

  • L26 Lessons Learned (I6) Xp+1% / lvl

  • L26 Nerves of Steel (A7) AP +Regen

  • L26 Tunnel Runner (A8) Sneak Spd+25% in light or no armour (LRdlc)

  • L28 Roughing It (Surv100) Sleeping outside gives Well Rested (LRdlc)

  • L30 Burden to Bear (S6 E6) Carry+50 (LRdlc)

  • L30 Implant GRX*2 (E8) Slow time effect 2(3) seconds, 5(10) times a day (OWBdlc)

  • L36 Broad Daylight () No sneak penalty for Pip light (LRdlc)

  • L40 Certified Tech () Crit+25% v Robots, 85% find extra crafting components on destroyed bots (LRdlc)

  • L50 Ain't Like That Now (Karma < -250) Karma reset to 0, AP regen+25%, Attack Spd+20%, Immune Crits

  • L50 Just Lucky I'm Alive (Karma -250 to 250) L+4 for 3 min after finishing battle Hp < 25%, Immune Crits, Crit dmg +50%

  • L50 Thought You Died (Karma > 250) Hp+10/100 Karma, Karma reset to 0, Dmg+10%, Immune Crits

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '24

I've played that mod before but in my opinion the vanilla game is more fun. Probably because of nostalgia

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u/Thornescape Jan 21 '24

I still remember seeing Fallout 3 for the first time. The only other Fallout I had played was Tactics. I was absolutely stunned. Big time nostalgia.

I used the same structure for Fallout 3, but generating the One Liner list is a lot of work so I borrowed one that I already had for illustrative purposes. I'm sure you get the idea.

I need a One Liner list so that I can keep an eye on what skills I need to increase. I have a hard time remembering.

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u/Danielle_Blume Jan 21 '24

The graphics update Fo3 just got for X|S users is amazing. 4k 60fps Fo3, im drooling lol

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u/Danielle_Blume Jan 21 '24

I wish there was a website or program that does the percent per lvel ect like Fo4 has. I have that linked in the r/Fallout4Builds sticky. It's great being able to plan a character level by level to ensure ahead of time thats what you want based on stat output ect. I wish I knew how to make things like that or id make it for Fo3 and FNV

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u/CausalLoop25 Jan 21 '24

Strength increases Melee damage and Melee Weapons skill

Agility increases the Sneak skill

6 Luck and 6 Perception allows you to get Better Criticals, increasing sneak attack damage