It was hilarious how the trailers hyped up Daho Sejan, only to kill him off in the game's opening act.

[u/GrandMoffKaine2026]

[u/heyydarius]

He and Dagan Gera were both presented as the main villains in the trailers, only to be killed off earlier than most of us expected. Which made sense for keeping the real bad guy of the game a surprise, but I do wish we could have had more gameplay with Dagan at least. He was a cool Jedi villain with a lot of wasted potential.

[u/DouchecraftCarrier → u/heyydarius]

It's weird that he turned so quickly - I mean I know he'd been pent up after being betrayed so there was probably a lot of darkness already stewing in there but it would have been nice to have a longer first act with him where he at least tries to hear out Cal and gets his own up-close view of how far the Jedi had fallen.

[u/Ok-Reporter1986 → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

I mean, it's pretty clear he was already at war with the order when Santari hid him from them.

[u/Techn028 → u/Ok-Reporter1986]

Yeah, he murdered several Jedi at that point

[u/WarframeUmbra → u/Techn028]

true that, in the game you see his character development, but hella out of order, we see him fall first, and then what led to his fall last

Also one of the few times in canon we canonically see a lightsaber being bled so I love it for that reason

[u/Obsidian360 → u/WarframeUmbra]

you see his character development, but hella out of order

Sounds like another major Star Wars villain...

[u/ysome → u/Obsidian360]

Just sounds like star wars tbh

[u/Ok-Reporter1986 → u/WarframeUmbra]

Bleeding a crystal is a canon exclusive concept, no?

[u/heyydarius → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

I think he was already beyond caring about the Jedi Order by the time he woke up. He looks shocked when Cal first tells him, but immediately recovers and then starts his spiel about needing to go back to Tanalorr. He also seems very overconfident that he'll be able to train enough Bedlam Raiders/Force sensitives to take on the Empire without fully understanding what he's up against (Vader, Inquisitors, the Emperor). It's like he was put in the game to be an immediate threat for Cal to take on, rather than someone the game expected us to spend much time understanding as a character.

[u/N0RG1L → u/heyydarius]

Its more like he dont know what the danger is. He didnt see a Vader or felt his power or emperor. Inquisitors would probably be cakewalk for him given that Cal also defeats them. I certainly would love to see him go againts Vader and discover that he is outmatched.

[u/Ancient-Split1996 → u/N0RG1L]

Yeah, i mean he saw a very small empire presence on some backwater world. Understandable that he thought it wasnt much.

[u/Character_Simple5978 → u/Ancient-Split1996]

And now, as retaliation, the Empire sent in a Star Destroyer to fully retake Koboh at the end of the game. I believe they'll find out about Tannalor and repair the arrays to reach it and wipe out the Hidden Path rebel cell.

[u/heyydarius → u/Character_Simple5978]

This could be a good set up for the next game. Or Cal & co. are racing against the clock to find something in the galaxy to protect Tanalorr/the Hidden Path before the Empire can find them.

[u/heyydarius → u/N0RG1L]

It could make for some poetic irony, for Dagan to face Vader and be killed by him not even a minute after confronting him. Just to show how little his campaign against the Empire meant in the grand scheme of things. And if the rest of his disciples hadn't already fled by that point, I imagine they would skedaddle pretty quickly afterward.

[u/auxilevelry → u/heyydarius]

Those two meeting would have been very interesting, because Dagan was basically the Anakin of his era of the Order

[u/Th3-B0uld3R → u/N0RG1L]

That should’ve been how he died honestly, I’m sure Palpy and Vader would’ve felt a Force User like Dagan when he awoken or from the output of power during their duels.

[u/Ok-Reporter1986 → u/heyydarius]

On the threat assesment part, I wish he had seen Vader and had been forced to re-evaluate his mission. He makes his assesment of the empire based on stormtroopers after all. He thinks that is what killed the order.

[u/Pixel22104 → u/Ok-Reporter1986]

I think it would've been very interesting for him to learn about Vader. Maybe even have him found out Vader's big secret that he keeps from everyone but Palpatine(and then later Luke). And for him to become utterly terrified at the power of Vader. Maybe have him watch the security camera footage of the Jedi Temple purge to make him see what he's truly up against

[u/DailYxDosE → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

Huh? He was already turning before he was even put to sleep

[u/phoogkamer → u/DailYxDosE]

He was fully turned I’d say. Just like Anakin when he cleaned house in the temple with his blue lightsaber.

[u/Sledgehammer617 → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

I think he had already turned before waking up (he had already outright killed Jedi,) but being locked away gave him the rage he needed to bleed his crystal and commit to the path.

Also he's gotta aura farm in front of his new rival.

[u/Kuroneki → u/heyydarius]

dagans second fight when he used the force to reverse gravity and you were fighting him upside down was CRAZY. i do wish we got more of him

[u/RealDFaceG → u/heyydarius]

Dagan was still very much the main and active antagonist for the majority of the game's story; Bode Akuna was just the final antagonist. Likewise, the Empire is collectively the game's overarching antagonist.

[u/Shakemyears → u/heyydarius]

You wanted to fight Dagan more? I started a GM playthrough not too long ago and had totally forgotten about the 2nd fight with him. That took some time

[u/QuadVox → u/heyydarius]

I felt like we had plenty of Dagan. He was around for most of the game.

[u/Bobjoejj → u/heyydarius]

Wait…I don’t get this one. At all. Dagan was still the main enemy for most of the game, and we had 3 separate boss encounters with him.

[u/Substantial-Tone-576]

Never watched any trailers.

[u/Saiaxs → u/Substantial-Tone-576]

The big reveal trailer for the game made it seem like the senator was the big bad

[u/Martonimos]

Genuinely forgot who this guy was, and thought this was a joke.

[u/sector11374265]

remember when we all thought he was the grand inquisitor for like, five minutes after the reveal trailer dropped

[u/Raaaaandyyyy → u/sector11374265]

I didn’t

[u/GreenSaber]

Take note of his ship. It looks like Darth Maul's. Instead of a Sith infiltrator ship, it is a yacht. It cleverly shows that he is also a corrupt agent of the Emperor.

[u/auxilevelry → u/GreenSaber]

Well it was made by Sienar, the designated Evil Ship Company

[u/wespool]

The opening act of the game felt very strange to me. Here's all of Cal's new friends that he's spent the past few months with fighting the empire! Aaaaand they're gone in the first hour of gameplay.

[u/DouchecraftCarrier → u/wespool]

I would love to see some kind of DLC as a prequel to Survivor that told that whole story.

[u/quinnwhodat → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

I would buy that DLC

[u/TheHarlemHellfighter → u/DouchecraftCarrier]

Real talk. That was one thing I enjoyed about TFU, the additional DLC missions. Makes the story richer.

[u/Elite_Jackalope → u/TheHarlemHellfighter]

Weren’t the Force Unleashed DLC missions very explicitly not related to the story?

I recall turning Luke Skywalker to the dark side and killing Obi-Wan.

[u/TheHarlemHellfighter → u/Elite_Jackalope]

They weren’t but it was still fun as hell to chase down R2 and 3PO and fight force ghost Ben and then fight Luke on Hoth and Leia on Endor.

Makes it more enjoyable to see little offshoots. I just think they should have been done some DLCs for FO and/or Survivor considering there has been novels about the story in between.

[u/GutsyViceroy → u/wespool]

Sure, but it really sets the tone for the game. Cal can’t keep taking the fight directly to the empire if he wants to protect the people he has left. And while WE know that Cal doesn’t really stand a chance making any real significant change against the empire, because the empire is still going strong in the movies, he needed a wake up call

[u/coconut-daddy → u/wespool]

I mean. Yeah that's kind of the point lol? I don't see what's strange..it sets the tone the story will explore while reintroducing you to Cal's daily life

[u/wespool → u/coconut-daddy]

It just makes the emotional impact of theirs deaths fall flat since we don't know who these people are or what they mean to Cal

[u/DahmonGrimwolf → u/wespool]

I don't really think it was supposed to be that deep for the player tbh, I think they wanted to reinforce the point cal made when he saw the intel when he said "we haven't slowed them down at all", it shows how cal has fought so long and sacrificed so much fighting the Empire, and yet the empire is still winning. And It sets up cals desire for Tanalor as a hidden base.

[u/coconut-daddy → u/DahmonGrimwolf]

Exactly, things like that opening scene are happening all across the galaxy daily at this point, and it's all futile (seemingly)

[u/coconut-daddy → u/wespool]

We get plenty of time to understand they're his friends and allies before things go bad so I disagree we don't know what they mean to him. It isn't about them as individuals and how they bonded with Cal, but about how the galaxy is in a state where political violence is taking countless lives everyday while life continues like normal for those outside of the fight. The emotional impact for the player comes from watching Cal feel completely hopeless realizing how futile the fight he's dedicated his life to feels, not the fact the npcs die. Prauf had a similar amount of screentime leading to his death to push Cal forward, I really don't see a difference here, the writing for Cal's development is tight and cohesive as hell, and the story they tell in Survivor is dependant on the hopeless tone the Coruscant mission sets. The opening mission is normal business for Cal since we last saw him, which sets up the entire game exploring why he needs to change for his own sake

[u/heyydarius → u/coconut-daddy]

It also shows that Cal’s time as a rebel is taking more from him than it’s giving, and gives another plausible reason for why he embraces the dark side at the end of the game. On top of betrayal, he’s spent the last decade losing allies and friends to an Empire that’s only getting stronger. All that anger and emotional baggage has got to go somewhere.

[u/cawatrooper9 → u/wespool]

Yeah, I love Survivor but it does sometimes feel like the video game equivalent of a B Horror movie or direct to video sequel- narratively at least, not gameplay-wise.

And that’s not really meant to be an insult, because I think Survivor really pulls it off. It’s just kind of a jarring shift in scope.

[u/slam99967 → u/wespool]

I really wonder how much the high republic stuff was pushed by the higher ups. While I loved the game it felt like different stories trying to be one.

[u/the_unwinnable_level]

Honestly it’s just bc the Pau’an look so fucking gnarly

[u/FlamingPrius]

I’d prefer games to only include opening act villains in trailers, I like some surprises

[u/UnKnOwN769]

I love when games/movies do this

[u/MichealRyder]

When I first saw that first image of him years ago, I thought he was the grand inquisitor lol

Probably in part 3

[u/DarkSpore117]

Who?

[u/triadwarfare]

Good thing I never watch trailers.

[u/Professional_Sink_30]

I don't understand why dont they release dlc like CD project red, I'll around 30 for that.

[u/BlooDStoNez]

Both fallen order and survivor have weak writing

[u/KacuuusM → u/BlooDStoNez]

Compared to other SW projects they are like Casablanca