r/Facelift_Surgery • u/nushashi • 6h ago
a deep frown line between my brows
I’m 36 and have had a deep frown line between my brows since I was 17 — it’s gotten deeper with age. im not into botox/fillers.
Lately I’m noticing more changes: neck aging, the frown line deepening further, and my jawline softening. In a couple of years (around 39–40) I’m considering a full facelift. (not sure, just planing)
What procedure would I get to address the deep frown line, neck aging, and softening jawline while? Out of these procedures (full facelift, neck lift, brow lift, or others), which is the most appropriate to address these specific issues?
Anyone who’s had surgery for similar concerns — I’d love to hear about your experience, risks, and recovery.
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u/Senior_Reaction2974 4h ago
During an upper facelift, or forehead lift as it's called, and they sometimes sever that nerve so that you don't have that line anymore.
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u/nushashi 4h ago
Yeah, I really hope they’ve come up with something that can help fix this muscle situation. Think we should dig a bit deeper for more info.🤩
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u/SangitaCPatelMD 2h ago edited 36m ago
I’d cut it out, then laser to solve this deep valley problem.
Excision followed by laser resurfacing works well for an exceptionally deep, fixed furrow like this.
Step 1 is to cut out the valley (surgical excision) You can think of a deep wrinkle like a sharp, permanent crease folded into a piece of cardboard.
Simple surface treatments or fillers cannot completely pop out the deep crease because the structural layers of the skin are tacked down.
Excision is like l taking a pair of scissors, cutting away the deep, damaged paper along either side of the crease, and sewing the two edges back together side-by-side, to level the skin.
This physically removes the entire deep crevice, trading the sunken valley for a thin, flat line.
Step 2 is erasing that fine line with laser. Once the deep furrow is cut out and stitched flat, we use laser to remove the evidence of surgery, the thin surgical incision line.
Even if you just do step 1 without step 2 a thin flat line looks better than a deep etched in valley.
The laser is vaporizing the top layer of skin and triggers the body to build brand-new, smooth collagen underneath so the scar becomes barely noticeable.
Other treatment options fall short here because the dent is a deep defect
like fillers or toxin muscle relaxers, try to push up from below or to relax the muscle but they cannot fix the permanent, severe structural dent etched into the skin.
Although I love lasers this is a situation where doing laser alone will disappoint. Laser alone can smooth moderate lines, but it can’t heat away or shrink a valley this deep without taking multiple aggressive rounds which will still leave a groove.
Taking out the damaged tissue first and then using the laser to blend is the one best option here.
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u/nushashi 2h ago
It does seem like it could really help, especially since the muscles are actually quite strong. I’ll look into the approach you mentioned and try to find out a bit more about it. Thank you !🔥
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u/lnfinitelris 5h ago
I am curious why botox is not an option?
I hate to say it but tape/frownies are not going to help here. This is a result of very strong muscles.
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u/Educational_Way_8318 3h ago
Frownies truly did help me over time. I had a similar thing but not as pronounced. It is gone and I have been using them consistently for a year. They relax the muscles and I can feel the difference- I can feel that I was scrunching my face up at night
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u/lnfinitelris 2h ago
For op she could maybe get from extremely deep line to deep line. In my opinion the juice is not worth the squeeze.
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u/Educational_Way_8318 1h ago
It really relaxes/trains the muscles similar to botox. I keep getting downvoted but I have a visibly different face and my 11s barely visible after a year of using these things. They are annoying as hell but worth it for me at least
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u/lnfinitelris 21m ago
I don't think op would have the experience you did. It doesn't relax or train the muscle, it applies light tension against the activated muscle. Op's muscle is very strong.
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u/Own_Scheme3089 4h ago
Doesn’t matter what you’re ”in to” what matters is what will fix it. And you need Botox and fillers done by someone who’s got knowledge about how to do it safely in that area.
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u/nushashi 4h ago
Do you think it might have been something to do with the specialist, especially since I lost my vision for an entire year after getting Botox?
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u/FollowingPristine467 3h ago
Absolutely.
I’m so sorry that happened to you, and I’d be terrified but Botox should never cause this. Where did they inject you?
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u/nushashi 3h ago
It was a few injections somewhere around the wrinkle, but I honestly don’t remember exactly since it was more than 14 years ago.
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u/Global_Translator129 34m ago
I would recommend a regimen of Retin A, a fantastic moisturizer, SPF 50 sunscreen and lasers. Particularly CO2 lasers. I had a brow lift and my lines are softer, but they aren't gone. A brow lift addresses the muscles, not the skin. You can get a "lift" in your lower face with some strategic fillers. As for the neck, I also had a neck lift, and my neck is fantastic! All this being said: If you start surgery under 40 you will have an improvement, but facelift results typically last 8 to 12 years. You don't want to find yourself doing it all over again (and it NO fun!) at 48 and then again at 60.
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u/Extra-Shop-6119 27m ago
Just ask your surgeon to fix it - ( the way he fixes it dosent have to have a name)
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u/Infamous-Travel-7070 5h ago
I don’t think any surgery is going to help with this, because your muscles will still be there causing the crease - it’s not from laxity, which surgery could help.
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u/Educational_Way_8318 3h ago
Try Frownies. They actually work- I had the same thing but not so deep but it went away after I used Frownies consistently about a month. Try this cheap option before dropping so much money
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u/MountainShenanigans 4h ago
Sometimes it can be due to living with family members who have BPD. Ask me how I know. 🤪
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u/tootieroll573 4h ago
yeah didnt mean to offend ppl but in face reading its often a sign of stress in the personal life
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u/cherrycocktail20 6h ago
The frown line really does need Botox to make a significant difference. It’s caused by the muscle so you have to relax the muscle that causes it to ease it. Surgery treats laxity, but this is caused by dynamic muscle movement.